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The discussion revolves around the Nonlinear Schrödinger (NLS) model, specifically focusing on a differential equation related to its solutions and the connection between various parameters in the model. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of the NLS, including its eigenvalue problem and the role of the theta function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a differential equation related to the NLS and questions how to demonstrate that a specific expression is a solution, noting that the textbook does not provide a calculation.
  • Another participant expresses frustration, questioning the linearity of the NLS and the relationship between energy (E) and wave vector (k), suggesting that the problem may not be as straightforward as presented.
  • A participant mentions the nonlinear nature of the NLS as a second-quantized theory and expresses curiosity about the relevance of the equation to the book's content, while also referencing online resources that connect NLS to Bose condensation.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the derivative of the theta function and the nature of the variable 'q', with emphasis on the need to understand the connections between E, k, and other variables in the context of the problem.
  • One participant clarifies that the derivative of the theta function is the delta function and discusses the complexity of differentiating the proposed solution, while also providing definitions for various constants and variables involved in the equations.
  • A participant provides the field equation of the NLS, highlighting its form as the ordinary Schrödinger equation with an added self-interaction term, and describes the process of looking for eigenstates related to the model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and frustration regarding the problem, indicating that there is no consensus on the clarity of the textbook's presentation or the connections between the variables involved. Multiple competing views on the nature of the NLS and its implications are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the textbook's explanations may lack sufficient detail, leading to confusion about the mathematical steps required to demonstrate the solution. There is also mention of unresolved questions regarding the relationships between energy, wave vectors, and other parameters.

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Relevant to the NLS is the differential equation,

[tex]\left( -\sum^N_{i=1} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2_i} +c \sum_{i\neq j} \delta(x_i-x_j)\right)f_N = E_Nf_N[/tex]
(2.87)​

How does one show that

[tex]\left(\prod_{i<j}(\theta(x_i - x_j) + e^{i\Delta(k_j-k_i)}\theta(x_j-x_i))\right)\exp\left(i\sum^N_{j=1}k_jx_j\right)[/tex]
(2.90)​

where [tex]\theta(x)=\frac{|x|+x}{2x}[/tex] and

[tex]e^{i\Delta(q)}=\frac{q-ic}{q+ic}}[/tex]
(2.91)​

is a solution? The textbook just asserts but does not calculate.
 
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What have u done?You don't expect us do the 'dirty work' for you... :mad:
What is the connection between E and 'k'?Why is a nonliear Schroedinger equation??It seems very linear to me...

Daniel.
 
The book's preface claims that calculations are presented "in step-to-step detail". Yet when I encounter problems like this, I suspect that I'm missing something. I've put a lot of hours into reading the book already. So help me out or don't help me, but don't get mad at me.
 
NLS is a second-quantized theory. Its field equation is nonlinear. However, solving for the eigenvalues for finite-particle states leads to (2.87). I don't know why the book has a section on this. It hardly seems relevant to the subsequent development of the book and I've been able to move on without understanding it. But it still arouses my curiosity. Some pdf files available online suggest that NLS is related to Bose condensation.
 
Okay,maybe i overreacted a little bit,i just did't like the way you presented the problem...
Can you compute the derivative of the theta Heaviside 'function'??
Is 'q' a constant??
And again,what is the connection between E and other variables?Even if u were able to compute that Hessian and the delta Dirac multiplication,u'd still have to equate the two sides,so then u'd need the expression of the energy levels in terms of the 'k','q' and other variables.

Daniel.
 
Apology accepted. I appreciate the importance of presentation, however, typing in all the latex code is a lot of work, so I decided I would present as much information as I believed was necessary at first, and give clarifications as needed.

Anyway, the answer to your question about the theta function is simple: it's derivative is the delta funtion. But the straightforward differentiation of (2.90) leads to a big mess. f_N is a function of the x_i, E_N is a constant, the eigenvalue of the equation, c is another constant (not necessarily the speed of light), big Delta is a function, q is a dummy variable in its definition. Notice that i occurs both as sqrt(-1) and as index.
 
The field equation is

[tex]i \frac{\partial\varphi}{\partial t} = -\frac{\partial^2\varphi}{\partial x^2} + 2c|\varphi|^2\varphi[/tex]
(2.84)​

which is the ordinary Shroedinger equation plus self-interaction term.

The field Hamiltonian is

[tex]H = \int^L_0 dx \varphi^*(x,t)(-\partial^2_x)\varphi(x,t) + c\varphi^*\varphi^*\varphi\varphi[/tex]
(2,85)​

One looks for eigenstates of the form [tex]\int dx_1...dx_Nf_N(x_1,...,x_N,t)\varphi^*(x_N,t)...\varphi^*(x_1,t)|0\rangle[/tex], and obtains (2.87).
 

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