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| Mar16-12, 01:42 AM | #1 |
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Cell phones affects fetal neurodevelopment in miceThoughts on implications for humans? |
| Mar16-12, 05:13 AM | #2 |
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Good thing I don't use cell phone.
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| Mar16-12, 06:22 AM | #3 |
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Do you have a link to the report?
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| Mar16-12, 07:49 AM | #4 |
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Cell phones affects fetal neurodevelopment in mice
How much wattage did they use and how close was it to the fetuses?
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| Mar16-12, 08:05 AM | #5 |
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A full free copy of the article is available here: http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/1203...srep00312.html I've only skimmed through (on lunch break atm) but there are a lot of insignificant results, strangely the admit that there is no significant difference between the control and experimental group in their hyperactivity test but later they claim that overall cell phone exposure increased hyperactivity in a statistically significant manner. They do however outline many of the studies limitations at the end which is good to see. I'd be very interested to see this research continued by other groups to see if there is anything in it. |
| Mar16-12, 12:19 PM | #6 |
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It's a very skinny paper with a lot of insinuation in the introduction about ADHD, but when it gets down to it, the only real obvious trend is that with days of exposure, mEPSC frequency is reduced (figures 2 and 3). So it's like there's some kind of synaptic depression taking place, which does have implications for neurodedevelopment at the cellular level. But to try to tie it to ADHD at the organism level seems like a bit of a reach to me.
Note, they do actually show more hyperactivity in the experimental mice, according to their test which measures "transitions". Not sure if that really relates to hyperactivity or not (I can see, intuitively, how someone might come to that conclusion, but I don't know about the science behind it). |
| Mar16-12, 12:38 PM | #7 |
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Lets suppose for a sec that the statistical association in humans is real. Can anyone think of a non-emr cause that might exist for humans but not lab mice?
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| Mar16-12, 12:42 PM | #8 |
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What statistical association in humans; was this something mentioned in the paper?
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| Mar16-12, 01:35 PM | #9 |
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It is postulated as a reason for doing the study.
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| Mar16-12, 03:16 PM | #10 |
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What would be the significance of a non-emr cause for humans and not mice? Wouldn't it be enough to talk about a non-emr cause for both? There's a lot of genetic and chemical contributions to ADHD that could effect both mice and men without referencing emr.
Though, I do remember one particular study claiming that it's difficult to go to sleep after using mobile devices (but I think this also applies to watching TV and using your computer; there was no mechanism proposed, so it could just be a matter of stimulation before bed). |
| Mar16-12, 06:12 PM | #11 |
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| Mar16-12, 06:25 PM | #12 |
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"Neurobehavioral disorders are increasingly prevalent in children"
Does everyone agree with this much? Respectfully submitted, Steve |
| Mar16-12, 06:41 PM | #13 |
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Edit: However, I have no looked at much evidence on either side. So I could be wrong. And probably am. |
| Mar16-12, 10:47 PM | #14 |
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| Mar16-12, 11:04 PM | #15 |
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The common advice I always hear from public experts is to not have TV in your room, and stay off your smartphones and laptops an hour before bed. They don't ever say anything about listening to the radio or engaging in dialogue (and stuff) with SWMBO being bad for sleep. Gerstner JR, Bremer QZ, Vander Heyden WM, LaVaute TM, Yin JC, et al. (2008) Brain Fatty Acid Binding Protein (Fabp7) Is Diurnally Regulated in Astrocytes and Hippocampal Granule Cell Precursors in Adult Rodent Brain. PLoS ONE 3(2): e1631. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0001631 http://www.plosone.org/article/info:...l.pone.0001631 |
| Mar17-12, 01:47 PM | #16 |
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| Mar19-12, 03:57 PM | #17 |
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you are making an excellent point, mheslep. What is unbelievable is that they did not do ANY SAR measurements. They say that they used a cell phone with the SAR of 1.6. Must have been the Motorola Bravo (1.59), on top of the cage..the mice moved about freely..This does not make any sense at all, except that the referees had no understanding of electrical fields.
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