How does a windshield tell the wiper to work?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms by which windshield wiper systems detect rain and activate accordingly. Participants explore various technologies and methods used in modern vehicles, including both electrical and sensor-based systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a system that uses two parallel wires that complete a circuit when bridged by a water droplet, triggering the wipers.
  • Another participant questions the conductivity of rainwater, suggesting it may not be pure and thus could affect the operation of the sensor.
  • A later reply mentions alternative methods for rain detection, including piezo vibration sensors and multiband optical sensors, noting their use in various car models.
  • Participants discuss the location of rain detectors, with some suggesting they are positioned at the bottom of the windshield or under the hood.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the purity of rainwater, referencing environmental factors that could affect its conductivity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the exact nature of the rain detection mechanisms, with multiple competing views presented regarding the technology used and the properties of rainwater.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the purity and conductivity of rainwater, as well as the specific locations of various sensor types in vehicles. The discussion includes assumptions about environmental conditions affecting rainwater quality.

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Individuals interested in automotive technology, sensor systems, or environmental science may find this discussion relevant.

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My dad has a Buick that has a windshield wiper system that senses somehow that it is raining and automatically starts the wipers working, then adjusts the speed and frequency to match the amount of rain hitting the windshield.

How does this work?
 
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It's a switch!

There are two parallel thin wires running very close to each other, these are coiled in on themselves, and placed somewhere on the outside of the car. When a water droplet bridges the gap between the two wires, a current can flow and this triggers the wiper circuit. I guess that there are a few of these 'switches' with different spacings in order to alter the speed and frequency of the wiper cycle.
 
Thanks brewnog. I figured it had to be something like that. My dad thought it was a visual sensor, but I pointed out to him that it couldn't work in the dark.
 
Isn't rain water pure and thus non-conductive? Or does all water have some conductivity. Or is rain water simply not pure.
 
Jake said:
Isn't rain water pure and thus non-conductive? Or does all water have some conductivity. Or is rain water simply not pure.
You live in NY and you think there's such a thing as pure rain water?

With as much acid that's in the rain anymore I'm surprised that we all don't have windshields that etched so bad you can even see through them!

The acid rain has definitely made a difference in my garden over the decades. I actually have to adjust for the ph after a heavy rain! And I live in the mountains!
 
Oh darn that's right, I forgot that we don't live in a clean environment anymore >_<
 
Other methods include a piezo vibration sensor, as well as a multiband optical sensor to determine rain, vs other types of contamination on the windshield. Nissan used the piezo sensors for the last 20 years. The multiband optical was developed at TRW, so most likely it ended up on GM and or Chrysler.

Ron
 
Where exactly are the rain detectors located? Windshield bottom I suppose? Are they easily visible?
 
Peizo's are on the hood, typically under the heat shield. Multiband are typically in the defroster vents, not sure about the wire type.
Ron
 
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brewnog said:
It's a switch!

There are two parallel thin wires running very close to each other, these are coiled in on themselves, and placed somewhere on the outside of the car. When a water droplet bridges the gap between the two wires, a current can flow and this triggers the wiper circuit. I guess that there are a few of these 'switches' with different spacings in order to alter the speed and frequency of the wiper cycle.

Pretty cool, I might go and have look later and see if my family's car h ave it.
 

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