Understanding Nabla Operator with Vector A

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The discussion revolves around the nabla operator and its application to vectors and tensors, specifically focusing on the vector A. Participants are exploring the differences between expressions like "nabla A" and "A nabla," as well as the implications of combining these operations.

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  • The original poster questions the relationship between "nabla A" and "A nabla," and whether expressions like "nabla A - A nabla" can be derived. Other participants provide definitions and explore the nature of the nabla operator in relation to vector fields.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some providing mathematical definitions and examples. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the operator's properties, and while some clarity is emerging, there is no explicit consensus on the implications of the expressions discussed.

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There are indications of varying levels of familiarity with the topic among participants, and some express uncertainty about the terminology and concepts involved. The discussion includes references to quantum mechanics, suggesting a broader context for the nabla operator's application.

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Dear Friends,

Another question for dummies...

The operator "nabla" can be locates before or after a vector or a tensor. If you take the vector A, "nabla A" is not the same that "A nabla" but, is it possible to obtain "nabla A - A nabla"? ¿And "(A nabla) A - A (nabla A)"?


 
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I hope u're not insinuating that we (me included) would be "dummies"... :mad:

[tex]\nabla=\sum_{i=1}^{3} \frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}} \vec{e}_{i}[/tex](1)
in the cartezian system of coordinates
[tex]\vec{A}\cdot \nabla=\sum_{i=1}^{3} A_{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}}[/tex] (2)

[tex]\nabla\cdot\vec{A}=\sum_{i=1}^{3} \frac{\partial A_{i}}{\partial x_{i}}[/tex] (3)

That's all u need to know.
[tex][\nabla,\vec{A}]_{-}=:\nabla\cdot\vec{A}-\vec{A}\cdot \nabla[/tex]
is kinda weird operator which is made from a multiplicative part and a differential part.
I've never seen it in physics in this form.A bit different form can be found in QM with the operators of position and momentum in the coordinate representations.It's basicaly minus the fundamental commutator relations.

Daniel.
 
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NOoooooooo

No... the "dummie" in mathematics and physics am I.
 
On a second thought about that commutator of operators,in analogy with the QM case,consider it to be applying on a scarar function [itex]\phi(\vec{r}) [/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex][\nabla,\vec{A}(\vec{r})]_{-}\phi(\vec{r})=:\nabla\cdot [\vec{A}(\vec{r})\phi(\vec{r})]-\vec{A}\cdot \nabla\phi(\vec{r})=[\nabla\cdot \vec{A}(\vec{r})] \phi(\vec{r})[/tex]<br /> <br /> Daniel.[/itex]
 

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