Relating Molar Enthelpy of Oil to Something: Need Lab Ideas

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The discussion revolves around finding ideas for a lab focused on determining the molar enthalpy of fusion for various edible oils. Participants explore potential relationships between molar enthalpy and other measurable properties, seeking practical applications or connections to real-life scenarios.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in relating the molar enthalpy of oils to practical applications, suggesting a possible connection to the bonds within the oils.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the specific type of molar enthalpy being investigated, noting that there are different types depending on the process (e.g., combustion, hydrogenation, dehydrogenation).
  • A participant clarifies that they are focusing on the molar enthalpy of fusion, which relates to intermolecular bonding in solid and liquid phases.
  • One participant proposes that the difference in densities between solid and liquid phases could be an observable related to molar enthalpy.
  • Another point raised involves the relationship between the melting/freezing point and boiling point, with a caution about the challenges of determining boiling points for some oils due to potential decomposition.
  • A participant questions the relationship between density and molar enthalpy, as well as the connection between density and specific heat capacity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the relationships between molar enthalpy, density, and specific heat capacity. Multiple viewpoints and questions remain unresolved.

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The discussion lacks specific lab notes or defined parameters for the experiment, which may limit the clarity of the problem being addressed.

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Hi.
I have this BIG lab that is due really soon and I need ideas. We are going to find the molar enthalpy of edible oils (vegetable, canola, virgin, grape seed, sunflower). Since this is a big lab, we are going to be expected to relate molar enthalpy of the oil to something. Preferably something useful in real life. I was thinking of relating molar enthalpy to the bonds of the oil, but after much searching, I have found absolutely nothing. Maybe the molar enthalpy of oil can be related to something that can be tested in the lab. I am hoping that someone here may be of assistance and suggest some ideas. I would REALLY appreciate it. Thanks.
 
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If you could define the problem better, that would help. Can you state the problem, exactly as it appears in your lab notes or wherever ?

There are several molar enthalpies - for combustion, hydrogenation, dehydrogenation, etc. - depending on the prrocess involved. Which is it ?
 
Sorry, there is no lab notes. We basically have to make up this lab. I am solving for the molar enthalpy of fusion (solid to liquid).
 
The molar enthalpy of fusion is related to the intermolecular bonding in the solid and liquid phases.

Some other observables that I can imagine will be related to these are :

1) Difference in densities of solid and liquid (while you are doing the experiment, you could measure the weights and volumes to find the densities.)

2) Difference in temperatures between the melting/freezing point and the boiling point. (but the boiling point may be very difficult to determine for some oils, because they will decompose or combust before they boil. ) Typically, the stronger the smell of the oil, the lower will be its theoretical boiling point. Ask yourself why this might be true ?
 
Ok looks like I am doing density. What is the relationship between density and molar enthalpy? And is there a relationship between density and specific heat capacity?
 

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