Low-pass filter with no inductance, and voltage output over a resistor

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The discussion revolves around designing a first-order low-pass filter using only resistors and capacitors, with the requirement that the output voltage is measured over a resistor or in parallel with a resistor. Participants explore circuit configurations and analyze their characteristics while addressing constraints and potential issues in achieving the desired filter behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a circuit with a resistor R1 in series with the signal source and a parallel combination of a resistor R2 and a capacitor C, noting that this configuration may not strictly function as a low-pass filter.
  • Another participant suggests that the described circuit can be treated as a low-pass filter, emphasizing its ability to preferentially pass lower frequencies down to DC.
  • There is a correction regarding the impedance calculation for the parallel component, where one participant acknowledges a typo and revises the expression for z2.
  • Participants discuss the equivalent impedance and the cutoff frequency, with one participant stating that the cutoff frequency can be expressed as (R1 + R2)/(R1 R2).
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether the task of creating the filter under the given constraints is possible, inviting further input from others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the feasibility of the task or the effectiveness of the proposed circuit configurations. Participants present differing views on whether the circuit can function as a low-pass filter and how to accurately calculate the impedances involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations in their calculations, including assumptions about the circuit configurations and the definitions of the components involved. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the impedance calculations that may affect the overall understanding of the filter's behavior.

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Homework Statement


I am supposed to find the circuit design for a first-order low-pass filter. The filter must be made of resistors and capacitors only (no inductances). Furthermore, the output voltage must be measured over a resistor or something in parallel with a resistor.


Homework Equations


Impedance for a capacitor is 1/[jwC], for a resistor is R
Voltage divider for impedances


The Attempt at a Solution


i) Attempt at following those constraints:
A resistor R1 in series with the signal source and in series with (a resistor R2 in parallel with a capacitor C). Note: I realize this is not a strictly low-pass filter.
Impedance over the series resistor
z1 = R1
Impedance over the parallel component
z2 = R2/[jwCR1 + 1]
Equivalent impedance
z = (R1 + R2)[jwCR1R2(1/[R1+R2) + 1]/[jwCR2+1]

As far as I can tell, this is actually a bandpass (or reject) filter with cutoff frequencies at
(R1 + R2)/(C R1 R2) and 1/(C R2).

ii) I realize I can make an RC low-pass filter (but then the output voltage is not measured over a resistor) and an RL low-pass filter (but then there is an inductor).

Please help. Or, if you know definitively that this is an impossible task, please tell me so. Thanks.
 
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Tetraoxygen said:

Homework Statement


I am supposed to find the circuit design for a first-order low-pass filter. The filter must be made of resistors and capacitors only (no inductances). Furthermore, the output voltage must be measured over a resistor or something in parallel with a resistor.


Homework Equations


Impedance for a capacitor is 1/[jwC], for a resistor is R
Voltage divider for impedances


The Attempt at a Solution


i) Attempt at following those constraints:
A resistor R1 in series with the signal source and in series with (a resistor R2 in parallel with a capacitor C). Note: I realize this is not a strictly low-pass filter.
Impedance over the series resistor
z1 = R1
Impedance over the parallel component

z2 = R2/[jwCR1 + 1]
Recheck this!

Equivalent impedance
z = (R1 + R2)[jwCR1R2(1/[R1+R2) + 1]/[jwCR2+1]

As far as I can tell, this is actually a bandpass (or reject) filter with cutoff frequencies at
(R1 + R2)/(C R1 R2) and 1/(C R2).

ii) I realize I can make an RC low-pass filter (but then the output voltage is not measured over a resistor) and an RL low-pass filter (but then there is an inductor).

Please help. Or, if you know definitively that this is an impossible task, please tell me so. Thanks.

Your circuit (which I assume is R1 from input to output and R2||C from output to ground) is a low-pass circuit. You can reduce it to the form a/(a+b+jwC).
 
A resistor R1 in series with the signal source and in series with (a resistor R2 in parallel with a capacitor C).
Sounds okay as a LPF. It will preferentially pass lower frequencies and down to DC.

You can take the output as the voltage across that R∥C combo, or alternatively you could break that R into 2 and take output from across its lower portion.
 
That was a typo:
z2 should have been
R2/(jwcR2 + 1)

But really, I forgot to take:
z2/(z1+z2)

Now I have
R1/(R1 + R2)/[jwcR1R2(1/[R1+R2]) + 1]

with cutoff frequency (R1 + R2)/(R1 R2)

Thanks!
 

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