The first failure of relativity?

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The discussion revolves around a new cosmological model called "spatial condensation," which claims to explain the universe without dark energy and acceleration. Participants explore the implications of this model in relation to general relativity and its perceived failures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the assumption of discrete time in the spatial condensation model.
  • The model proposes that higher-dimensional cells condense into 4-D cells, leading to the expansion of our 3-D universe.
  • There is skepticism regarding the experimental validation of "spatial condensation" and the concept of "epispace balls."
  • One participant argues that the necessity of dark energy and other components in general relativity could be seen as evidence of its validity rather than failures.
  • Another participant expresses doubt about the credibility of the model, labeling it as "crackpottery."
  • There is a discussion about the potential naming of the model as "spatial condensation cosmology" (SCC) and its precedence over other theories.
  • Some participants reflect on the longevity of the model's proponent and the likelihood of the paper being disregarded in the future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express skepticism about the spatial condensation model, with multiple competing views on its validity and implications for general relativity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the model's acceptance and its relationship to established theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the lack of experimental evidence for the proposed model and the dependence on specific assumptions about time and dimensionality. The discussion also touches on the historical context of similar theories and their reception in the scientific community.

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The first failure of relativity?

http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0501176 The first failure of relativity.
A new cosmological model "spacial condensation".
This paper uses SN1a data to explain a universe with no dark energy
and no acceleration.
 
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Some astronomers have some very weird ideas that are sometimes correct. However I balk at his assumption of a discrete time.
 
The dynamic that is fundamental to the model is called “spatial condensation (SC)” and consists of the very small, higher dimensional cells of epispace condensing to 4-D cells to cause the 4-D ball ,and thus our 3-D universe, to expand.

Ah! Now I see!

The principle of astrophysics and cosmology is to apply physical laws tested in the laboratory, or at least in near solar system space and apply them to the universe at large.
So have we tested "spatial condensation" and seen "epispace balls"?

And why is cosmological acceleration "the first failure of relativity"?
You could view the necessity for GR to include Inflation, Dark Matter and Dark Energy as proofs that these things exist, or that they are modern examples of "adding epicycles" that is they are all failures of GR, but for acceleration/DE to be the first failure seems to be a bit discriminatory to me!

Garth
 
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Yes it looks like out and out crackpottery.
 
Pretty weird stuff, but, Leffert has been pedaling this 'revelation' for about 10 years. Looks to me like the unsubstantiated indictment of relativity was just a little CPR. If this thing catches on, will it be called spatial condensation cosmology [SCC]?
 
Heh heh - I think those initials are already taken by another theory. But if this one is ten years old, maybe it has precedence? :wink:
 
I think 'SCC' is alreday taken :D

edited to add: beaten to the punchline by 10 mins :eek:
 
I think Garth's been working on his theory since 1982, so there's a definite line of seniority here.
 
Im happy that everyone takes this paper lightly, it seemed to
me to be one that will end up in a corner gathering dust. but
who knows.
 

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