Why did Mexico free itself from Spain?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons behind Mexico's desire for independence from Spain, focusing on historical context, societal conditions, and various perspectives on the topic. Participants explore the social, economic, and political factors that contributed to the independence movement in the early 1800s.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the inequalities of life under the caste system were a significant factor in the push for independence.
  • Others mention the flow of wealth from New Spain to Spain as a contributing issue, highlighting economic grievances.
  • There is a claim regarding the inability of New Spain to sustain its population, which may have fueled discontent.
  • Some participants note the confusion and division within the governments of both Spain and New Spain as a factor in the independence movement.
  • The influence of new ideas about government and people's rights from recent revolutions in America and France is also discussed as a motivating factor.
  • A participant humorously suggests that cultural practices, like the siesta, may hinder Mexico's potential for power, although this is presented as a personal theory rather than a historical argument.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the wealth flowing out of New Spain, questioning the extent of its impact while also noting the educational advancements brought by Spanish influence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the reasons for Mexico's independence, with no consensus reached. Multiple competing views remain regarding the significance of different factors contributing to the independence movement.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the historical context are based on interpretations that may vary among scholars, and the discussion includes personal anecdotes and theories that do not directly address the historical question.

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Readers interested in historical perspectives on Mexico's independence, societal conditions in early 19th-century New Spain, and the interplay of cultural practices and national identity may find this discussion relevant.

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Hey, I am doing a history project, and I want to know why Mexico wanted independence from Spain. Any specific details? Thanks in advance.
 
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What was life like in Mexico, in the early 1800's? Well, for one thing, back then, this country was not called Mexico. It was called New Spain. And things were a mess.

Was Mexico (New Spain) ready for independence from Spain? Most scholars agree that by the early 1800's, Mexico was ready and that independence was inevitable. There were many reasons for this:
-The inequalities of life under the caste system
-The flow of wealth out of New Spain to Spain
-The inability of New Spain to feed its own people
-The confusion and division in the governments of both Spain and New Spain
-The flow of new ideas on government and peoples rights arriving from America and France, both of whom had recently undergone revolutions of their own
http://members.aol.com/MrDonnUnits/ColonialMexico.html
 
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Should we be doing this ? :eek: Doesn't this belong in HH ?
 
ConcealedDreamer said:
Hey, I am doing a history project, and I want to know why Mexico wanted independence from Spain. Any specific details? Thanks in advance.


Well i wrote an extended essay on why mexico could not achieve democracy (and still hasn't) but I'm really rather too drunk to answer. Grey Goose Vodka is great stuff. Really.
 
always helpfull eh Franz?
 
franznietzsche said:
Well i wrote an extended essay on why mexico could not achieve democracy (and still hasn't) but I'm really rather too drunk to answer. Grey Goose Vodka is great stuff. Really.
I got to second you on the Grey Goose. Ever tried Van Gogh? The only vodka I'd ever tasted reminded me of rubbing alcohol, awful stuff. I didn't realize there was a difference, and assumed everything tasted like Smirnoff. Then the guy I work with bought me a Grey Goose on the rocks and it was absolutely amazing. I had no idea vodka could be so smooth and taste so good.

I have a theory about Mexico, but it probably doesn't help any. I am of the opinion that Mexico will never be powerful nation for one simple reason: the siesta. Those naps in the afternoon are killing them, get back to work after lunch and do something productive.
 
Smurf said:
always helpfull eh Franz?

It was the weekend. If there is no class the next day, assume I'm drunk. I make everyone else i know look like prudes when it comes to alcohol.

tribdog said:
I got to second you on the Grey Goose. Ever tried Van Gogh? The only vodka I'd ever tasted reminded me of rubbing alcohol, awful stuff. I didn't realize there was a difference, and assumed everything tasted like Smirnoff. Then the guy I work with bought me a Grey Goose on the rocks and it was absolutely amazing. I had no idea vodka could be so smooth and taste so good.

I have a theory about Mexico, but it probably doesn't help any. I am of the opinion that Mexico will never be powerful nation for one simple reason: the siesta. Those naps in the afternoon are killing them, get back to work after lunch and do something productive.

Yeah, grey goose straight is good, take a small chaser, something sweet, and it goes down like water. Very good stuff. Smirnoff Triple distilled is antiseptic though. Their raspberry is survivable, but still not great. But grey goose, and Chopin too, good good stuff.
 
"The flow of wealth out of New Spain to Spain"

Ya. I don't know how much this wealth was, but at least they now know how to write and read because we went there.
 

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