Is there an equation for convection?

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The discussion revolves around the existence and understanding of equations related to convection, particularly in comparison to those for conduction and radiation. Participants express confusion regarding the application and derivation of these equations in a classroom context.

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  • Some participants inquire about the validity and derivation of convection equations, questioning their absence in textbooks and the lack of explanation provided by instructors. Others mention specific equations related to forced and free convection, referencing Newton's Law of Cooling and statistical mechanics.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about different convection equations and expressing doubts about their understanding. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of these equations, but there is no clear consensus on their applicability or derivation.

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Participants note a lack of instructional support regarding the convection equations, highlighting that the course is calculus-based yet the professor is not teaching calculus. This has led to confusion and a desire for further clarification on the subject.

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I know that there is an equation for conduction, and radiation, but is there an equation for convection?
 
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bross7 said:
I know that there is an equation for conduction, and radiation, but is there an equation for convection?

Yes,free convection can be modeled by nonequilibrium statistical mechanics (Boltzmann equation "momenta").But you need to know a great deal of physics to understand that...

Daniel.
 
A little addendum to my initial question. But does this equation actually exist? We were told this is an equation for convection but nothing else was said about it. There is nothing about it in the textbook, mind you it is calculus based and the prof is not teaching any calculus.
We were given the equation with absolutely no explanation whatsoever, and a few students are having some doubts about it's use as we have found not secondary source to back it up.

[tex]H = qA \Delta T[/tex]

It is the absolute lack of information given that makes us question the equation because it seems odd that nothing was described regarding it, and we received no derivation of the equation to understand where it came from that brings up question marks.
 
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It is actually a onedimensional version of Fourier's Heat equation (which involves partial differential equations and advanced mathematics)...

[tex]\frac{dQ}{dt}=-kA\frac{dT}{dx}[/tex]

In steady state (when temperatures are not changing with time),

[tex]H = \frac{\Delta T}{R}[/tex]

(where R = thermal resistance = L/kA, H = dQ/dt ).

As far as I know the setup is based on emperical observations that the heat flow per unit time is proportional to the area of crosssection and to the temperature gradient. The constant k is the thermal conductivity of the material (which is strictly a function of temperature but can be assumed to be a constant for a small range of temperatures).

I am surprised why you didn't encounter this in full steam in your general physics course. (Maybe it was supposed to be an assignment for you folks to read and understand, which is equivalent.) Which textbook do you use?

Cheers
Vivek
 

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