Why Do Mountain Roads Wind Instead of Going Straight Up?

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The discussion explores the reasons why mountain roads tend to wind gradually rather than going straight up steep slopes. It encompasses practical considerations related to vehicle dynamics, road construction challenges, and environmental factors affecting road design.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that winding roads follow natural inclines that are less steep, making it easier for vehicles to ascend.
  • Others argue that straight roads would be difficult to construct and maintain, as they would be prone to crumbling and would pose challenges for vehicles, especially in terms of acceleration and maintaining speed.
  • A participant mentions that steep inclines can become impassable in inclement weather, adding another layer of complexity to road design.
  • One participant shares a personal experience of struggling to ascend a steep road, highlighting the practical difficulties faced by drivers.
  • Another participant discusses the physics of incline using a mathematical expression related to the angle of inclination and vehicle dynamics, although this remains speculative without consensus on its application.
  • Environmental factors such as flash floods and avalanches are also noted as considerations in road design.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the reasons for the design of mountain roads, with no clear consensus reached on the primary factors influencing this design choice.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on the limitations of steep road designs, including vehicle performance and environmental conditions, but these points remain unresolved and depend on various assumptions.

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Why do mountain roads rarely go straight up the slope but wind up gradually?
 
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The roads follow natural inclines that are not so steep. You will do this same thing naturally when walking up a steep incline, you go up at an angle because the walking is easier in the short term.
 
Reshma said:
Why do mountain roads rarely go straight up the slope but wind up gradually?

Because cars can't go "straight up" and roads that go straight up would tend to crumble to say nothing of how extraordinarily difficult (and expensive) it would be to construct such a road.
 
Picture an inclined plane wound around the mountain.
A smaller force is required to climb to the top, although one must travel a longer distance.
 
Tide said:
Because cars can't go "straight up" and roads that go straight up would tend to crumble to say nothing of how extraordinarily difficult (and expensive) it would be to construct such a road.

About the steepest stretch of road I've ever been on was a 15% incline, and that was truly pushing the cars to maintain speed (a lot of other cars couldn't maintain speed; any steeper and I'd have probably hit maximum RPMs I could hit without blowing the engine). One also has to consider that mountains are also more prone to freezing conditions, and a very steep incline will become completely impassable in inclement weather. The engineers could probably answer this better.
 
Moonbear,

I think you did a fine job of answering the question!
 
I once made the mistake of stopping on a steep mountain road. I couldn't get the car moving forward: it just couldn't get up the initial acceleration! I wound up backing down to the bottom to get a running start.
 
I once took a shortcut in a camper van. It went up a very steep incline of loose gravel road. I reached a point where all I was doing was spinning the wheels. I couldn't turn around; any movement at all, including reversing caused me to start slipping. It was all I could do to stay in one spot.

So I rappelled down the slope.

I would let off the brake just enough to start moving, then put the brake on and let it slide a few more yards until I stopped, then do it again until I reached bottom.



It was a while before my father lent me his camper van again...

It was a while longer before my wife would go camping with me again...
 
Thanks for the explanation everyone!
 
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Don't forget flash floods and avalanches.
 
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Moonbear said:
About the steepest stretch of road I've ever been on was a 15% incline, and that was truly pushing the cars to maintain speed (a lot of other cars couldn't maintain speed; any steeper and I'd have probably hit maximum RPMs I could hit without blowing the engine). One also has to consider that mountains are also more prone to freezing conditions, and a very steep incline will become completely impassable in inclement weather. The engineers could probably answer this better.

Can this be explained by,

[tex]\tan{\theta}=\frac{v^2}{gr}[/tex]

where [tex]\theta[/tex] is the angle of inclination, v is the velocity of the body and g is the acceleration due to gravity, r is the radius of curvature.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
So I rappelled down the slope.
Hmm... Is it rappelled or grappelled? Grappelled is going up, and rappelled down? Hmm, turns out rappelled is going down, but what is grappelled? Maybe grappelled is both ways.
 

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