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| Aug18-12, 08:56 AM | #1 |
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Consistent Histories (What's the catch?)
I know this is a very general question, but I'm hoping someone well-versed in quantum theory is willing to provide an (appropriately general) answer.
Whilst investigating unrelated matters today I ran into a, "Brief Introduction to Consistent (Decoherent) Histories" which read (in part): Thanks Jeff [source:http://quantum.phys.cmu.edu/CHS/histories.html] |
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| Aug18-12, 12:13 PM | #2 |
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There is no catch - like any interpretation on its own terms it resolves the issues. The basic problem is do you like its terms? To me (and I have to say CH is one of my favorite interpretations) its defining your way out of problems.
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| Aug18-12, 01:58 PM | #3 |
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There is a catch: it's indeterministic. Making it severily ugly
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| Aug18-12, 09:52 PM | #4 |
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You're right, from that description you might think like consistent histories has little in the way of downsides. Here's an aesthetically undesirable (at least for me) feature of consistent histories, taken from the website you linked to:
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| Aug18-12, 09:54 PM | #5 |
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| Aug19-12, 03:39 AM | #6 |
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All interpretations have appealing features to some and sucks to others - that's why a consensus has never nor it is doubtful will ever be reached. I have read a number of papers and books on Consistent Histories and they are all well written and argued. For an introduction to the mine field of interpretation you can do a lot worse. Thanks Bill |
| Aug19-12, 05:41 AM | #7 |
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Bhobba, I disagree.
Indeterminism is immensly ugly philosophically. Why would any sort of indeterminism follow a statistical law (Born rule) ? That needs explanation (cause) and then we are back at determinism. But no, people like that want to believe that the universe magically CHOOSE free willingly to follow a statistical law. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. In the history of science, determinism has ALWAYS triumphed and I would be genuinely shocked if it does not happen in QM too. For me indeterminism is as likely as solipsism. |
| Aug19-12, 09:25 AM | #8 |
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Also there are some very deep mathematical arguments suggesting QM is pretty much the only real way this can happen: http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0101012v4.pdf As to why the Born rule - check out Gleason's theorem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleason's_theorem 'Gleason's theorem therefore seems to hint that quantum theory represents a deep and fundamental departure from the classical way of looking at the world, and that this departure is logical, not interpretational, in nature.' Although as Von Neumann noted in his proof of no hidden variables it also follows from the additivity of expectation values. Basicall this is very simple - if the average outcome of observable A is <A> and observable B is <B> then the average outcome of observable A + B is <A> + <B>. With that assumption Born's rule follows. But as Bell and others showed that assumption is not necessarily true for hidden variable theories. But still such additivity is a very very reasonable assumption - so reasonable it took a long time for it to be questioned. Basically its the most reasonable probabilistic theory that allows continuous transformations between pure states. Seriously though opinions are like bums and based on all sorts of things such as aesthetic sensibility, but while its important to hold opinions it does not make them correct. That applies very much to me and I would suggest to views like you expressed as well. Thanks Bill |
| Aug21-12, 12:18 AM | #9 |
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Thanks to everyone for the replies (I did not check back since the original posting). I'm getting that CH theories don't made definite predictions about the future, and that although they can say what sets of measurement/events fit together (in a history), they won't say WHICH one will be the "real" one?
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