Why Does the Laplacian Operator Differ for Functions of Space and Time?

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The discussion revolves around the differences in the application of the Laplacian operator for functions of spatial variables versus functions that include temporal variables. Participants explore the mathematical implications and physical interpretations of the Laplacian in these contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that for a function U(x,y), the Laplacian is defined as V^2U = Uxx + Uyy, where Uxx and Uyy are the second partial derivatives with respect to spatial variables.
  • Another participant points out that for a function F(x,t), the Laplacian appears to differ, suggesting V^2F = Fxx and questioning why V^2F = Fxx + Ftt is incorrect.
  • A participant explains that if "x", "y", and "t" are independent variables, the definition of the Laplacian in two dimensions naturally applies.
  • Another contribution clarifies that the Laplacian operator is defined as V*V, indicating that it is a vector operator and its interpretation may vary based on the dimensional context.
  • One participant emphasizes that the Laplacian should not be viewed merely as the sum of second partial derivatives for time-dependent functions.
  • Another participant suggests that the discussion is fundamentally about semantics and definitions regarding the term "Laplacian operator."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation and application of the Laplacian operator in the context of functions that include time as a variable. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation, and multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between spatial and temporal variables, suggesting that the mathematical treatment may depend on the context of the problem. There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of the Laplacian operator in different dimensions.

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Consider a function U(x,y) where x, and y are spatial variables (have units of length)
Assume that the symbol V^2 corresponds to the Laplacian operator.

Then V^2U= Uxx + Uyy where the subscript indicates partial differentiation.


Consider now a function F(x,t) where x is spatial variable (has units of length) and t is a temporal variable (has units of time)

I found quite surprising that the action of the Laplacian on this new function is a little bit different than previously.

V^2F= Fxx

Could you please give me a hint as to why does this happen? Why
V^2F= Fxx + Ftt is incorrect?

What springs to mind is that Ftt has units of acceleration and Fxx represents the concavity of F parallel to XX’ axis. So we cannot really add these two different quantities. Apart from this (which I am not if it is mathematically correct) do you have any other explanation?
 
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If "x","y" and "t" are independent variables (precisely if "t" isn't a function of "x" and/or "y"),then it comes naturally as an application of the definition of the Laplace diff.operator in 2 dimensions in rectangular coordinates.

Daniel.
 
The laplacian operator is defined as V*V, the dot product of the del operator with itself. In physics, the del operator is a 3 dimensional vector operator. Thus, for a function such as F(x,y,z,t) , The vector V (F) is the gradient at the point x,y,z at various times t.

Part of your problem is that you think the laplacian is "the sum of the second partial derivatives with respect to each variable" when it only resembles this description in cartesian coordinates for a time independent function. The laplacian is defined as V*V, in general.
 
The Laplacian operator can be applied to a function of two variables. I agree that we should not see the action of the Laplacian as taking a function find the partial derivatives and add them…

In my question I assume that x, t are independent variables.
To see the Laplacian as V*V (which is absolutely correct) does not help me understand the problem with the V^2F , F=F(x,t). I imagine the time axis to lie on the same plane and at right angle with the x axis. The z axis is perpendicular to the previously mentioned plane. So F(x,t) represents a surface.
 
Well,this functional dependence (coordinates and time) is not typical to mathematics,but to physics.In (nonrelativistic) physics,we always think of nabla as an LPD operator ONLY WRT COORDINATES.Similar for the trace of the hessian,the laplaceian.So leave geometric interperation of functional dependence aside and think in the spirit of physics.

Daniel.
 
what they are telling you is this is a question of semantics, i.e. of definitions. it only depends on what you mean by the words "laplace operator".
 

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