Finding Trig Substitution for Int. Problem: Help Needed

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The discussion revolves around finding an appropriate trigonometric substitution for the integral problem involving the expression \(\int \frac{x^2}{\sqrt{4x^2+8}} dx\). Participants are exploring different substitution methods to simplify the integral.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find a suitable substitution but expresses uncertainty about their choice of \(x = \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} \tan(\theta)\). Other participants question the rationale behind specific substitutions and suggest alternatives, including the use of hyperbolic functions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various substitution ideas and clarifying misunderstandings. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between trigonometric identities and the substitution process, although no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes that they have not covered hyperbolic functions in their coursework, indicating a preference for traditional trigonometric substitutions. The discussion reflects a mix of familiarity with the topic and uncertainty about the correct approach.

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i need to find the appropriate trigonometric substitution for this problem. i don't know why, but I am only having problems finding the right sub. i can do the rest pretty easily. please help me with this:

[tex]\int \frac{x^2}{sqrt(4x^2+8)}[/tex]

here's what i done:

sqrt(4(x^2+2)) ----> a*tan(theta)

so I'm thinking that x should be equal to sqrt(2)/2*tan(theta), but it's incorrect. can someone help? (i know it's the wrong sub because I'm doing my homework online and it askes me for the trig sub first to check)
 
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Why 1/sqrt(2) and not just sqrt(2)?

--J
 
How about a substitutiton involving [itex]\sinh[/itex] ...?After all,it's still a trigonometric function,except,that it's not circular.

Daniel.

P.S.It should give the result immediately.
 
ProBasket said:
i need to find the appropriate trigonometric substitution for this problem. i don't know why, but I am only having problems finding the right sub. i can do the rest pretty easily. please help me with this:

[tex]\int \frac{x^2}{sqrt(4x^2+8)}[/tex]

here's what i done:

sqrt(4(x^2+2)) ----> a*tan(theta)

so I'm thinking that x should be equal to sqrt(2)/2*tan(theta), but it's incorrect. can someone help? (i know it's the wrong sub because I'm doing my homework online and it askes me for the trig sub first to check)

can i try?

[tex] \[<br /> \int_{}^{} {\frac{{x^2 }}{{\sqrt {4x^2 + 8} }}} dx \\ \\<br /> = \int_{}^{} {\frac{{x^2 }}{{2\sqrt {x^2 + 2} }}} dx \\ [/tex]
let
[tex]x = \sqrt 2 \tan \theta[/tex]

[tex]\[<br /> \int_{}^{} {\frac{{2\tan ^2 \theta \sqrt 2 \sec ^2 \theta }}{{2\sqrt 2 \sec \theta }}d\theta } \\ <br /> = \int_{}^{} {\tan ^2 \theta } \sec \theta d\theta \\ <br /> = \int_{}^{} {\sec \theta d \sec \theta } \\ <br /> \]<br /> [/tex]
 
you know that

[tex]1 + tan^2\theta = sec^2 \theta[/tex]

Use the subtitution, [tex]x = \sqrt{2} tan \theta[/tex]
 
Oh I see when I finished typing the latex, somebody posted the solution.
 
ah thanks for the help. don't know why i added the 1/2.

we haven't gone over sinh yet and don't think we ever will, so it'll be better if i don't use it.
 

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