Need some help with basic complex variables (no proofs)

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The discussion revolves around basic concepts in complex variables, specifically seeking examples for various properties and definitions related to complex numbers. The scope includes theoretical aspects and conceptual clarifications without requiring proofs.

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  • One participant requests examples of a non-zero complex number where Arg(z^2) is not equal to 2 Arg(z).
  • Another participant provides an example using z = e^{i\pi}, explaining the argument values.
  • A participant suggests a set of two discs in the complex plane as an example of a region that is not a domain.
  • There is uncertainty about identifying a non-empty subset of C with no accumulation points, with one participant questioning the definition of accumulation points.
  • One participant proposes that the function f(z) = Re(z) is continuous but not differentiable anywhere, noting its surjectivity issues.
  • Another participant identifies e^z as an entire function that is not a polynomial.
  • Subsequent posts clarify the definition of accumulation points, with some participants debating the importance of the 'deleted neighborhood' aspect.
  • One participant suggests the set {1} as a candidate for having no accumulation points, leading to further discussion on the validity of this example.
  • Another participant confirms that the set {1} indeed has no accumulation points, reinforcing the understanding of the concept.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding accumulation points, with some agreeing on definitions while others raise questions. The discussion remains unresolved on certain aspects, particularly regarding the nuances of definitions and examples.

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Some definitions and concepts, such as accumulation points and the properties of functions, are discussed with varying interpretations, indicating a need for clarity in definitions and examples provided.

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need some urgent help with basic complex variables (no proofs)

Hi:
can someone give me examples of the following? (no proofs needed)

1. a non-zero complex number z such that Arg(z^2) "not equal to" 2 Arg z
2. a region in C which is not a domain
3. a non-empty subset of C which has no accumulation points
4. a continuous function f: C -> C which is not differentiable anywhere
5. an entire function which is not a polynomial.

thanks a lot in advance!
 
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nocheesie said:
1. a non-zero complex number z such that Arg(z^2) "not equal to" 2 Arg z

Arg z is defined to be the angle between -pi and pi which is equivalent to the actual argument of z. So if [tex]z=e^{i\pi}\implies z^2=e^{2i\pi}[/tex] then Arg z = arg z = pi, but arg z² = 2pi so Arg z² = 0.

nocheesie said:
2. a region in C which is not a domain

If I recall correctly a domain has to be connected, so something like [tex]\left\{z\in\mathbb{C}:|z-2|<1\right\}\cup\left\{z\in\mathbb{C}:|z+2|<1\right\}[/tex] (two discs of radius 1 centred at 2 and -2 on the real axis) would qualify.

nocheesie said:
3. a non-empty subset of C which has no accumulation points

I think an accumulation point only makes sense with respect to a sequence... Off the top of my head I can't think of a set on which no sequence could have an accumulation point, since there is always the possibility of a constant sequence. I could be wrong though...

nocheesie said:
4. a continuous function f: C -> C which is not differentiable anywhere

Technically f(z)=Re(z) qualifies, although it is only onto [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex], not [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex]. But since [tex]\mathbb{R}\subset\mathbb{C}[/tex] it can be thought of as a function f:C->C which is just not surjective.

nocheesie said:
5. an entire function which is not a polynomial.

I'm pretty sure that [tex]e^z[/tex] is entire.
 
wow thank you!
i still have no idea how to do the accumulation one. i looked up the definition of accumulation point and it says:
A point z0 is said to be an accumulation point of a set S if each deleted neighborhood of z0 contains at least one point of S
i'm not sure if i understand that... any ideas?
 
A z is an accumulation point of S if every open disc centred on z contains some element of S. Every point of S is an accumulation point of S. S is closed if it contains all its accumulation points
 
matt grime said:
A z is an accumulation point of S if every open disc centred on z contains some element of S. Every point of S is an accumulation point of S. S is closed if it contains all its accumulation points

nocheesie has a different definition- the 'deleted disc' part is important or the question is false.


Equivalent definition (worth proving equivalence if you want a better handle on accumulation points): z is an accumulation point of S if and only if there is a sequence in S minus z that converges to z.

I can't think of a good hint without giving it away, think very simple sets.
 
So it corrects to "contains some element of S distinct from z".
 
so would the set of say, {1} work? i don't know if I'm understanding this correctly... if you have {1} then there would be no accumulation points right? since there's only 1 itself?
 
Any disc centred on 1, would not contain any of the other points of S, since there is none. And if z is any other point not equal to 1, then |z-1| is strictly positive, say it equals r. Then the disc of radius r/2 about z does not contain 1 (the only point in S) so it is not an accumulation point of S. Thus S has no accumulation points. Is that what you were thinking?
 
Yes! that's what i was thinking =) since there's only 1 then it can't have any points in the set other than 1, thus no accumulation points! i think I'm finally getting this... thanks everyone very very much!
 

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