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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the integral of cos(ax)/sinh(bx) from 0 to infinity. Participants explore various methods, including differentiation under the integral sign, and express uncertainty regarding the convergence of the integral.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the integral of sin(ax)/sinh(bx) and asks for help in calculating the integral of cos(ax)/sinh(bx).
  • Another participant suggests using Leibniz's rule of differentiation under the integral sign as a potential method for solving the problem.
  • Some participants express confusion about the implications of differentiating with respect to "a" and the resulting terms that appear in the numerator.
  • There is a mention of a mistake in the formula used by a participant, who later corrects it and acknowledges the confusion caused.
  • One participant speculates that the integral of cos(ax)/sinh(bx) may diverge but expresses a desire to find the antiderivative to confirm this hypothesis.
  • Another participant indicates that differentiating under the integral sign may not require the specific formula initially discussed, suggesting an alternative approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the convergence of the integral or the best method to solve it. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the application of Leibniz's rule and the behavior of the integral at infinity. Participants express varying levels of understanding and correctness in their approaches.

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Given Integral (Between 0 and infinity) sin ax/sinh bx = (pi/2b).tanh[(api)/(2b)]. Calculate:

Integral (Between 0 and infinity) cos ax/sinh bx dx.

Any ideas? Cheers.
 
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Do u know leibnitz rule of differentiation under integral sign?

-- AI
 
Jesus. That one neither and I spent some time on it too. Thanks.

Nima, can you report the answer please. Try and use LaTeX (look at the on-line reference for it in the group). Here, I'll start it for you, just select "quote" and add on:

[tex]\int_0^\infty \frac{\cos(ax)}{\sinh(bx)}=[/tex]
 
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If you differentiate wrt "a" under the integral sign,i'd like to know how one gets read o the nasty "x" that will appear in the numerator...:confused:

Daniel.
 
made mistake with formula

saltydog said:
Jesus. That one neither and I spent some time on it too. Thanks.

Nima, can you report the answer please. Try and use LaTeX (look at the on-line reference for it in the group). Here, I'll start it for you, just select "quote" and add on:

[tex]\int_0^\infty \frac{\cos(ax)}{\sinh(bx)}=[/tex]

Nima, where you at? I aint' letting this one go. Just differentiate it throughout using Leibniz's rule (and no I didnt' know to do this until they told me). Granted, you have to take the derivative of infinity but just think of the upper limit as a constant 'c' and at the limit as c goes to infinity, it's derivative is still zero. Else, I'll write it up tomorrow.

This is Leibnitz's rule. Just fill in the blanks.


[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)}G(x,t)dt=G(x,\beta(x))\frac{d\beta}{dx}-G(x,\alpha(x))\frac{d\alpha}{dx}+\int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)}\frac{\partial G}{\partial x}dt[/tex]


Salty

Edit: I made a mistake with the formula and corrected it. Now I understand what Daniel meant about the 'x' in the numerator. Will need to regroup . . .

Sorry if I caused problems for anyone.
 
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salty,
F(a) = some integral with respect to 'x' containing parameter 'a'
F'(a) = some integral with respect to 'x' containing parameter 'a'

Can u see what i am pointing at?
My mention of Leibnitz's rule of differentiation was just to indicate that u can differentiate under integral sign, as such u don't explicitly need that formula for this problem :)

-- AI
 
TenaliRaman said:
salty,
F(a) = some integral with respect to 'x' containing parameter 'a'
F'(a) = some integral with respect to 'x' containing parameter 'a'

Can u see what i am pointing at?
My mention of Leibnitz's rule of differentiation was just to indicate that u can differentiate under integral sign, as such u don't explicitly need that formula for this problem :)

-- AI

Alright, I'm stuck. I used Leibnitz rule incorrectly above. Next time I'll double-check things before I say anything Nima. Sorry. Gonna work on it some more and check it with real data before I post anything.
 
TenaliRaman said:
salty,
F(a) = some integral with respect to 'x' containing parameter 'a'
F'(a) = some integral with respect to 'x' containing parameter 'a'

Can u see what i am pointing at?
My mention of Leibnitz's rule of differentiation was just to indicate that u can differentiate under integral sign, as such u don't explicitly need that formula for this problem :)

-- AI

Seems to me, after looking at it some more, that the cos integral diverges but I don't want to cause more confussion for Nima or anyone else. Would still like to find the antiderivative to prove explicitly that it does. Am I correct in this analysis?

I mean, it would have been a more interesting question if we needed to find out what [itex]\frac{\cos(ax)}{\cosh(bx)}[/itex] was. That's just me though.
 
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