What can we do with nuclear waste?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and potential solutions related to the disposal of nuclear waste. Participants explore various methods of waste management, including the feasibility of sending waste into space or the sun, as well as alternative approaches such as transmutation. The conversation touches on public perception, safety concerns, and the long-term implications of nuclear waste storage.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express fear of nuclear energy, associating it with destruction and long-term waste issues, particularly the longevity of isotopes like Uranium-232.
  • One proposed solution is to encapsulate nuclear waste and send it to space, although concerns about political opposition and public safety are raised.
  • Another suggestion involves sending waste to the sun, framed as a method of recycling energy, but this idea is met with skepticism regarding feasibility and safety.
  • Participants discuss the high costs and risks associated with launching nuclear waste into space, including the potential for rocket failure and environmental contamination.
  • Concerns are raised about the long-term storage of nuclear waste on Earth, including the challenges of marking containers for future generations and the geological stability of storage sites.
  • Some argue that radioactive materials are more dangerous on Earth than if they were to burn up in the sun.
  • Research into transmutation of radioactive waste is mentioned as a potentially viable alternative, involving techniques like bombardment with protons or neutrons to shorten half-lives of isotopes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the best method for nuclear waste disposal. While some support the idea of space disposal, others highlight significant risks and costs, and alternative methods like transmutation are also discussed without agreement on their effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the safety and feasibility of proposed disposal methods, the long-term implications of waste storage, and the effectiveness of transmutation techniques. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions about public perception and technological capabilities.

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Are you afraid of nuclear energy?


What is it that makes us so scared of nuclear energy? When we hear the word “nuclear”, we immediately think of death, war, and glowing genitalia’s. Just because something’s nuclear, doesn’t mean that it’s destructive or explosive. Nuclear energy is by far the best source of energy around due to its nature of the “waste” it creates. Unlike coal power plants, which pollutes the atmosphere in an uncontrolled way, nuclear waste is contained in sealed containers and stored somewhere. The issue we have is, “what do we do with the waste?”

Uranium-232 has a half life of about 100,000 years (the amount of years for its radioactivity to drop to half its original activity). This means that it’ll take about a half a million years or so for one container of waste to be at a safe level. Well gee, in a half a million years the total amount of waste present on this planet will destroy life as we know it. Energy well spent, NOT!

This is where I step in.

I feel as though I know a solution to this problem. We can do one of two things (that I feel are safe methods for disposal).

We can either:
a.) Encapsulate the waste and send it to space. So by the time the waste hits the nearest galaxy, its radioactivity will have reached its limit and will be at a safe level. “Yay!” you say? One problem, our world is run by politics, and people are so scared of this nuclear idea that sending it in space would be considered “polluting the universe”, (which is IMPOSSIBLE!). So don’t look forward to that happening anytime soon.
b.) Encapsulate the waste and send it to the sun. Now, your probably like “what the ****, that’s too close to us”. If there’s anything thing you should know about our solar system is that our sun is a giant nuclear power plant (take a look at the energy it creates, IT POWERS OUR PLANET). Nuclear explosions go off on the sun all the time. So why not send all our trash to the sun. Think of it as recycling our energy.

So think about it…… Would you rather dispose of our waste (even garbage) to the sun to burn up harming nothing? Or burn coal to destroy our atmosphere?

Sleep on it
 
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If I were you, I'd start to run away before Astronuc arrives here.

I am going to try to guess his answer:

How could we send the nuclear wastes to the space?

Answer:

With a lot, a lot of money and assuring that it is not showed to the media, because if not I think that Greenpeace and every people won't be very happy of having a rocket loaded with nuclear wastes flying over their heads.

I heard the polemic take off of a recent spacecraft which transported a small space device (I don't recall it) which was propelled by means of nuclear fuel. There was an enormous claim against it.

I think your advice is not going to success.

In the next chapter we will focuse on how much it costs to send a cointainer of nuclear waste and conserve the rentability of nuclear energy at the same time.
 
We just had a recent shuttle disaster, and you want to attempt to send toxic waste into space? Far too dangerous, and far too costly. I've heard it costs about $10,000 per kilogram to send something into space, and a one out of a hundred chance of disaster is unacceptable.

What is it that makes us so scared of nuclear energy?

Uranium is not the primary waste issue. The fission process creates many short lived (hundreds of years) isotopes (remember that a short halflife means that half of the particles decay in a shorter time, so the rate of radiation is much stronger).

Uranium is handled, when it arrives at the plant, by people in radiation suits (pretty safe). Exposure to a large amount of plutonium or radium for a short time is lethal, on the other hand. But these highly radioactive isotopes are not the biggest problem, because even if they did get released into the atmosphere, they are relatively benign in such dilute levels (maybe raise the chance of cancer a few percent in the contaminated area).

The biggest problems are a few particular elements, such as strontium, which can be confused for calcium by the body. Thus, if you ingest a minute amount of a radioactive strontium isotope, it will become a part of your skeleton and pummel away at your insides (cancer for sure).

All that said, I support nuclear energy as a short term energy solution.
 
educate the people about the reality of nuclear waste...
 
Hmmm, would think that even if you had the confidence to shoot the stuff to space the amount of high - level radioactive waste you'd have to shoot up would make it a very unpleasant and especially uneconomical operation.
 
Hello KSCphysics,

I think it's dangerous trying to send the nuclear waste to space. There's still
the risk that the rocket might crash back to earth. I don't know
what the consequences are if the rocket crashed but I could think
of radioactive particles flying all over around polluting the air, water, ground, etc.

Secondly, the container thing is a big problem in my opinion.
The ground will change and will bring the container back to the surface (ten-thousand of years?). Question is: How do we mark the container such that our descendants know what's inside the container. Shall we use text to mark the container? In ten-thousand of years, nobody will talk English anymore. What kind of symbol should we put on the container?

The problem with our descendants who should keep their hands off
the containers is indeed a problem and scientists are still searching for a solution.
 
true.. but radioactive material is more dangerous here on Earth than it is burning up in the sun.
 
KSCphysics said:
true.. but radioactive material is more dangerous here on Earth than it is burning up in the sun.

There are active research in the transmutation of radioactive waste into elements that will have an even shorter half-life. Some of this involves the bombardment of such waste with high-energy protons, or bombardment with neutrons.[1,2, 3]

So in terms of having some degree of "reality" about nuclear power, THIS is a more viable and realistic alternative then launching it into space.

Zz.

[1] http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-2/text/radside1.html
[2] http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/designs/atw/ATWreport.html
[3] http://www.nea.fr/html/trw/
 
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