What is the relationship between harmonic motion and the strobe phenomenon?

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The discussion explores the relationship between harmonic motion and the strobe phenomenon, addressing concepts such as simple harmonic motion (SHM), phase relationships, and the nature of periodic motion. Participants seek clarification on definitions and implications of these concepts in both theoretical and practical contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe harmonic motion as a repetitive back-and-forth movement, while others elaborate on it as predictable motion related to circular movement.
  • There is a question about the meaning of 'strobe' and its relationship to how the human eye perceives flashing lights, particularly in relation to frame rates.
  • Participants inquire about the meaning of being 'in harmony' and 'in phase,' with some suggesting that being in phase means two objects are at the same point in their cycles.
  • One participant poses a scenario involving two objects with different periodic motions and questions whether they will be in phase at specific times, highlighting the complexity of phase relationships.
  • There is a distinction made between random patterns of motion and predictable cyclical motion, with a participant questioning if harmonic motion is limited to geometric shapes like circles and sine waves.
  • Some participants discuss the importance of constant frequency in oscillations and the implications of varying amplitude.
  • There is a query about the interchangeability of frequency and period, and whether frequency must remain constant in all cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of harmonic motion, phase relationships, and the nature of periodic motion. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions and assumptions about harmonic motion and strobe effects are not fully clarified, and there are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between frequency and period.

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Harmonic motion is when an object pretty much goes back and forth, right?

Also, what does the word 'strobe' mean? I once heard a member here say that if our eyes worked like a camera and took a picture 60 times a second that a light that flashed 61 times per second would appear to strobe at one flash per second. Why is this? What if the light flashed at 38 times per second?

Also, what does it mean for one thing to be 'in harmony' with another object?
What does it mean to be 'in phase'?

This is just an area I feel I'm lacking in knowledge so I'm asking for help.
 
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KingNothing said:
Harmonic motion is when an object pretty much goes back and forth, right?
There is a little bit more to it then that. Consider a point on a rotating circle, now if you rotate the circle till all you see is the edge, or a line, the way the point moves along that line is SMH. It will move faster in the middle then at the ends. This predictable and repetitive motion is essential to SMH.
Also, what does the word 'strobe' mean? I once heard a member here say that if our eyes worked like a camera and took a picture 60 times a second that a light that flashed 61 times per second would appear to strobe at one flash per second. Why is this? What if the light flashed at 38 times per second?
A strobe is simply that, a light source which flashes on and off at a regular rate.
Also, what does it mean for one thing to be 'in harmony' with another object?
I have no clue.
What does it mean to be 'in phase'?
Suppose you had two circles with moving particles as I described above, if the the points on each circle are at the same place (both at an the same end point moving in the same direction, both at the center, moving in the same direction, they are said to be in phase. On the other hand if one is in the center while the other is at the end they are out of phase.
This is just an area I feel I'm lacking in knowledge so I'm asking for help.

I hope this is of some help.
 
Say object A moves in a random pattern but repeats this pattern once every 4 seconds.
Say Object B moves in another random pattern but repeats it every 8 seconds.

Will object A be 'in phase' with object B at t=8 seconds?
If object B is started in motion 2 seconds before object A, will they be in phase 2 seconds after that?
Does being 'in phase' mean that two things are at the same spot in their individual cycles? (i.e. 1/4 done)
Does it mean that they are at the same point in the same cycle?

Finally, by SMH do you mean simple harmonic motion?
 
KingNothing said:
Say object A moves in a random pattern but repeats this pattern once every 4 seconds.
Say Object B moves in another random pattern but repeats it every 8 seconds.

Will object A be 'in phase' with object B at t=8 seconds?

If object B is started in motion 2 seconds before object A, will they be in phase 2 seconds after that?
I have no idea. SHM is not random motion.
Does being 'in phase' mean that two things are at the same spot in their individual cycles? (i.e. 1/4 done)
Does it mean that they are at the same point in the same cycle?
Yes. waveforms with different frequency do not have constant phase relationship.
Finally, by SMH do you mean simple harmonic motion?
Who me,.. dyslexic? :rolleyes:
 
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I didn't say random motion. I said random patterns. It's possible for the path of motion to be random but the motion itself still predictable. What I mean is, for instance, look at a trail going through a thick woods. It will wind all over the place somewhat randomly, yet if a jogger goes the exact same route over and over the motion will be completely predictable (cyclical).

Does harmonic motion only occur in geometric shapes like circles and sine waves?
 
That could be termed Periodic motion, but it is not SHM.
 
When it comes to oscillations,it's more important to consider the frequency or the period to be constant.The amplitude may vary (damping),but the frequency better stay constant.

As for harmonic,usually yes,but keep this adjective out of the realms of mathematics,because there it means something else...

Daniel.
 
What does it mean in mathematics? I'm assuming it's calculus, correct?

Frequency and period are pretty much the same thing, right? At least, interchangeable? What I mean is, they are both different ways of measuring a "how often" variable?

Why must frequency remain constant? Does it always remain constant? Is this how different wireless devices keep all their information streams separate?
 

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