Inverses, one2one, onto functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of functions, specifically focusing on the existence of inverses for one-to-one (injective) and onto (surjective) functions. Participants explore definitions, examples, and conditions under which functions may or may not have inverses, as well as the implications of restricting domains and ranges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks an example of a function f(x) such that g(f(x))=x for some g, but no h exists such that f(h(x))=x, questioning the conditions for the existence of an inverse.
  • Another participant suggests that the exponential function ex is one-to-one but not onto, and discusses the implications of restricting its range to make it invertible.
  • There is a question raised about whether all functions have inverses, with some suggesting that restrictions can lead to inverses.
  • One participant mentions the inverse function theorem in relation to differentiable functions, implying that this theorem provides conditions under which inverses exist.
  • A participant shares anecdotal responses from teachers regarding the existence of inverses, highlighting differing opinions on the matter, particularly concerning complex numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether all functions have inverses, with some suggesting that restrictions are necessary while others imply that it may depend on the context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the generality of inverses across all functions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of one-to-one and onto functions, as well as the implications of restricting domains and ranges, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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What's an example of a function f(x) such that g(f(x))=x for some g but there is no h such that f(h(x))=x?
I came up with a proof that showed that there is no such function f, but I relied on the fact that a function that is one to one has an inverse. Apparently a function must also be onto. What is the definition of inverse and what guarantees the existence of an inverse such that f(g(x))=g(f(x))=x?
What function is one to one but not onto and does not have an inverse?
 
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A function is nothing more than a line, but instead of Y you use F of X, it's all pretty stupid if you ask me
 
What function is one to one but not onto and does not have an inverse?

ex as a function from R to R is a simple one. If f(x) is the inverse to ex, then what is f(-1)?

This also demonstrates a property of 1-1 functions; if you restrict the range, you can make an inverse. In this case, if we view ex as a function from R to R>[/size] (the positive reals) then ex does have an inverse; ln x.
 
Inverses

Do all functions have inverses? (If you place restrictions)
Do all graphs have inverses?
 
Do all functions have inverses? (If you place restrictions)

Trivially yes... I could restrict the domain and range to a single point! (though, usually, you can get useful results without such a harsh restriction) For differentiable functions, you might want to look up the inverse function theorem.


Do all graphs have inverses?

TMK, The term "inverse" doesn't apply to graphs.
 


I asked three other teachers at my high school: Do all functions have inverses? Responses: I don't know, maybe, and no because of problems with complex numbers. I looked up the theorem of inverse functions with regard to derivatives and am satisified with that. So your answer to the questions is yes, if you aren't concerned with restrictions? Thanks
 

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