Find the equation of the hyperbola with centre at the origin

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a hyperbola centered at the origin, specifically one with a transverse axis on the y-axis that passes through given points. Participants are exploring the relationships between the parameters a and b in the hyperbola's equation.

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  • Participants discuss substituting coordinates into the hyperbola equation and derive two equations for b in terms of a. There is confusion regarding the appearance of negative values when attempting to take square roots. Some participants question the validity of their derived equations and the implications of negative results.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their equations and attempting to clarify the steps involved in solving for a and b. There is recognition of the need to reconsider the form of the hyperbola equation, and some guidance has been provided on how to manipulate the equations to eliminate variables.

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Participants mention potential issues with assumptions made during the problem-solving process, including the choice of hyperbola equation form and the implications of negative values encountered in their calculations.

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Find the equation of the hyperbola with centre at the origin and sketch the graph.
e. tranverse axis is on the y-axis and passes through the points R(4, 6) and S(1, -3)

How would I find a and b? I plugged in the coordinates in [tex]\frac{x^2}{a^2} - \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 1[/tex] and came up with two equations. The thing is, I get to the point where I have to take the square root of both sides, but one side is always negative. I thought you couldn't take the square root of a negative? :confused:
 
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What are the 2 equations...?Ang why is one part always negative...?

Daniel.
 
Have you considered that
[tex]\frac{y^2}{b^2}- \frac{x^2}{a^2}= 1[/tex]
is also an equation of a hyperbola?
 
dextercioby said:
What are the 2 equations...?Ang why is one part always negative...?

Daniel.
The equations are:

[tex]b = \pm\sqrt{\frac{36a^2}{16 - a^2}}[/tex]
[tex]b = \pm\sqrt{\frac{9a^2}{1 - a^2}}[/tex]

Then when I try to solve for a after combining them, one side is always negative. I don't know why it is always negative, but I've tried solving for b instead of a first, and I encounter the same problem. I think someone else in my class had the same problem too. Maybe I just did it wrong or something..
The teacher said something about subtracting those two equations once you get them..? How would you do that?
 
Well, you just subtract! [itex]0= \sqrt{\frac{36a^2}{16-a^2}}- \sqrt{\frac{9a^2}{1-a^2}}[/itex] and now "move" that second term to the other side of equation: [itex]\sqrt{\frac{36a^2}{16-a^2}}= \sqrt{\frac{9a^2}{1-a^2}}[/itex] and now square both sides.

Do you see where those formulas are from? If you assume a formula of the form [itex]\frac{x^2}{a^2}- \frac{y^2}{b^2}= 1[/itex], then putting x= 4, y= 6 gives [itex]\frac{16}{a^2}- \frac{36}{b^2}= 1[/itex] and putting x= 1, y= -3 gives [itex]\frac{1}{a^2}-\frac{9}{b^2}= 1[/itex]. Solve each of those for b and you get those two equations. Actually, what I would do is Multiply that second equation by 4 to bet [itex]\frac{4}{a^3}-\frac{36}{b^2}= 4[/itex]. Now subtract the first equation from that to eliminate b: [itex]\frac{12}{a^2}= -3[/itex] . Yes! You do have a square on one side equal to a negative number!

Okay, so do what I suggested before: try writing your basic equation as
[tex]\frac{y^2}{b^2}- \frac{x^2}{a^2}= 1[/tex]
and do the same as before.
 
Oh, I think I finally got the answer. I should've used [tex]\frac{y^2}{b^2}- \frac{x^2}{a^2}= 1[/tex] since the graph opens up and down. I could've sworn I did that when I attempted this the first time, but I couldn't get the answer for some reason.. Well, nevermind that. Thanks a lot for your help!
 

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