Dramatic muscle mass increase due to mutation

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The discussion centers around the implications of a mutation in the myostatin gene that leads to increased muscle mass in a specific breed of bull, known as the Belgian Blue. Participants explore the potential consequences of this mutation, both in terms of agricultural practices and broader biological impacts, raising questions about the ethics and long-term effects of such genetic changes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the supermuscularity in the Belgian Blue bull is due to a mutation in the myostatin gene and questions why this has not been more widely exploited.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the long-term effects of increasing muscle size on the overall health of the organism, suggesting that such changes could lead to gradual degradation.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that selective breeding for traits like muscle size has been practiced for centuries, questioning the notion of "arrogance" in changing genetic traits.
  • Some participants argue that even subtle changes from selective breeding can have unforeseen consequences, highlighting the complexity and interconnectedness of biological systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of genetic manipulation and selective breeding. While some acknowledge the historical context of breeding practices, others emphasize the potential risks and ethical considerations involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the long-term consequences of such mutations.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the potential risks versus benefits of the mutation, and there are uncertainties regarding the health implications for the bull and the broader ecosystem. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about genetic manipulation and its ethical ramifications.

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Belgian farmers had been breeding a bull for its muscle size, finally getting a bull who is supermuscular

http://www.ultimate-exercise.com/bravenewworld.html

This supermuscularity is caused by a mutation is the myostatin gene. Why has this case not been exploited yet? Or am I just not aware of it?


Scientists were able to replicate the phenotype by mutating the same gene in mice, which also became very muscular.
 
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Monique, before one plays with TNT one should comprehend it at it's most compentent parts. If the cell increases muscle size what are the other affects on the organism as a whole on the long run? Will it be prevelent now or will it's affects be recognzied in the near future and then be to late to compensate for. Will it be a gradual degredation of the oraganism as a whole?

It is an amazing thing to understand that which is, but to change it is pure arrogance. If one does not comprehend gravity, then that which they understand or believe they understand is flawed by it's incompleteness.
 
"to change is pure arrogance"

But this is an example of farmers breeding cows with big muscles together, until the Belgian Blue came out. This is what mankind has been doing for thousands of years, how we have all kinds of cats, dogs, now a bull with huge muscles.

I haven't read too much yet about the bull, I am very curious to know if it has some serious problems.. but I have the impression not. And does the farmer care?

Look at how much meat would come from this bull, the same way that we've breeded cows to produce such amazing amounts of milk, you don't think THAT is natural right? :P
 
Even subtle changes like the ones that can be achived through selective breeding can have far reaching affects which are not completely comprehended due to the limited set of parameters which they analyse the system in. That is because to go beyond that is expensive thought and human beings like short term gains no matter the cost to the system as a whole. What they do not understand is that the system is single and complete and balanced. You cannot rob peter to pay paul you will still have to pay peter. There are no gains and no losses. The understanding you will pay for with your "time".
 

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