Difference between crystallization and vaporization?

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The discussion centers around the differences between crystallization and vaporization, exploring the processes involved in each, as well as related questions about opaque solutions, density changes in heated liquids, and the definition of salts. The scope includes theoretical concepts and practical implications in chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that heating a solution to dryness results in a powder, while evaporation leads to crystal formation, questioning the distinctions between crystallization and vaporization.
  • One participant argues that heating a NaCl solution to dryness will still produce crystals, albeit smaller and less aesthetically pleasing.
  • Another participant mentions that rapid precipitation does not allow molecules sufficient time to arrange into a crystal lattice, emphasizing the need for a 'seed' for crystal formation.
  • Some participants discuss opaque solutions, proposing that they are suspensions and may clear over time through sedimentation, while others reference the Tyndall effect to explain opacity.
  • There is a suggestion that the density of oil and water may change with heating, but one participant notes that both substances would become less dense simultaneously.
  • A participant defines a salt as a compound formed from a base and an acid, with the anion from the acid and the cation from the base.
  • Another participant raises a point about the kinetics of crystallization, indicating that the speed of the process can affect the outcome, and questions the existence of amorphous forms for certain ionic compounds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the processes of crystallization and vaporization, as well as the characteristics of opaque solutions. There is no consensus on the definitions or implications discussed, indicating multiple competing perspectives remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about the behavior of solutions and the effects of temperature on density, but these assumptions are not universally agreed upon. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the nature of oils and the kinetics of crystallization.

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If a solution is heated to dryness, a powder will be left. But under evaporation, a crystal will form. So what's the difference between crystallization and vaporization? How is the process of crystallization?

Are all the opaque (or milky) solutions contain a precipitate? And why some liquids are obpaque while some are transparent?

Here is a beaker. Inside is some oil on top of water. If the water is heated, so it becomes less thick and thus less dense, will it has a density lower than oil and so flow on the oil?

What is the general definition of a 'salt'?

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Hello

I will try to answer your questions briefly.

lwymarie said:
If a solution is heated to dryness, a powder will be left. But under evaporation, a crystal will form. So what's the difference between crystallization and vaporization? How is the process of crystallization?

Well, the difference is that the first will form amorphous materials, while the second one will be crystalline. In order to obtain good quality crystals, you should boil the solution until a clear solution is obtained, then let it cool unattended, in ambient temperature. Crystals will form, since you give enough time to allow solid phase formation. Amorphous materials occur instantly, they don't have much time to facilitate crystallization.

Are all the opaque (or milky) solutions contain a precipitate? And why some liquids are obpaque while some are transparent?

They are rather called suspensions, and if you allow some time, a process known as "sedimentation" will occur, that is, the upper liquid becomes clear, and the insoluble solid precipitates to the bottom of the flask. Opaque liquids have some insoluble material, so they are suspensions or emulsions, depending on the physical state of the insoluble material.

Here is a beaker. Inside is some oil on top of water. If the water is heated, so it becomes less thick and thus less dense, will it has a density lower than oil and so flow on the oil?

I think the solubility of oil increases with increasing temperature, so the layer becomes thinner. I don't think that densities would change greatly with a simple heating process.

What is the general definition of a 'salt'?
A salt is basically a compound, formed between a base and and acid. The anion of the salt comes from the acid, while the cation is from the base.
 
lwymarie said:
If a solution is heated to dryness, a powder will be left. But under evaporation, a crystal will form. So what's the difference between crystallization and vaporization? How is the process of crystallization?

IMHO the question is faulty - if you heat NaCl solution to dryness crystals will form. They will be smaller and not so nice, but they will form.

Are all the opaque (or milky) solutions contain a precipitate? And why some liquids are obpaque while some are transparent?

Look for so called Tyndall effect.

Here is a beaker. Inside is some oil on top of water. If the water is heated, so it becomes less thick and thus less dense, will it has a density lower than oil and so flow on the oil?

The simplest answer is oil is heated too so it becomes even less dense at the same time.

Besides, what is an 'oil'? It can be anything, from edible to car lubricant and I have no idea what range of densities is possible for substances that can be called 'oils'.
 
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lwymarie said:
If a solution is heated to dryness, a powder will be left. But under evaporation, a crystal will form. So what's the difference between crystallization and vaporization? How is the process of crystallization?
When a solution precipitates very rapidly, there is not enough time for molecules to find their place in the lattice. For a crystal to form there first needs to be a 'seed', whose formation is energetically unfavourable.
 
Monique said:
When a solution precipitates very rapidly, there is not enough time for molecules to find their place in the lattice. For a crystal to form there first needs to be a 'seed', whose formation is energetically unfavourable.

While this is generally true it is all a matter of kinetics - which process is faster. I have never heard about amorphous form of strongly ionic compounds, like - say - KCl. Then, there are many things I haven't heard of :wink:
 
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