Hypothesis Testing Stats: Making a Test w/ Unknown SD & Tables

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of hypothesis testing in statistics, specifically when the population standard deviation is unknown and the use of tables for calculations. Participants explore the formulation of hypotheses, the determination of p-values, and the interpretation of results within the context of statistical testing.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine the alternative hypothesis based on the sample mean in relation to the null hypothesis, specifically asking when to use <, >, or ≠.
  • Another participant explains that the choice of alternative hypothesis depends on the context of the problem, providing examples related to consumer and producer perspectives.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of hypothesis testing as a decision-making procedure rather than a definitive proof of correctness, with emphasis on the lack of mathematical justification for the procedure.
  • A participant expresses a desire to understand the general procedure for hypothesis testing as taught in introductory statistics courses, acknowledging the inherent uncertainty in the process.
  • A later reply indicates a personal resolution to the discussion, stating an understanding of the procedure without further elaboration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and interpretation of hypothesis testing, with some emphasizing its procedural aspects and others questioning its foundational validity. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the optimal approach or the philosophical implications of hypothesis testing.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of hypothesis testing, including the dependence on context for hypothesis formulation and the absence of mathematical proofs supporting the procedure as optimal.

Klungo
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Statistics doesn't come to me as naturally as math.

I'm curious as to how to make a hypothesis test under the assumptions that the population standard deviation is unknown and using tables only.

Here is my understanding.

Given
Suppose:
H_0: \mu = \mu_0.
Suppose also that:
\bar{x}, s is the mean and standard deviation of a sample of size n.
Suppose a significance level of \alpha.

Question: If \bar{x} &lt; \mu_0, do we use H_A: \mu &lt; \mu_0?
When do we use &lt;,&gt;,\neq?

Test Statistic
Since the population standard deviation is unknown, we "standardize" to a random variable T with a t distribution with n-1 degrees of freedom.

T_{test} = \displaystyle\frac{\bar{x} - \mu_0}{s/\sqrt{n}}.

Determining P-value
Assuming H_A: \mu &lt; \mu_0, we have a left-tail test
So, p-value = P(T &lt; T_{test}) = P(-T &gt; -T_{test}) by symmetry. (My tables only show the right tail.)

So, now we look at the table.
Question I'm not sure if I know how to read and apply the values of the table. Is my work below correct?

Suppose df = 10, T_{test} = 2.
Here is a t-table: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5u1UHojRiJk/TEdJJc6of2I/AAAAAAAAAIE/Ai0MW5VgIhg/s1600/t-table.jpg.

We have T_{0.05}=1.812 &lt; T_{test}= 2 &lt; T_{0.025} = 2.228
Thus, 0.025 &lt; p-value &lt; 0.05.

Decision
Finally, if p-value &lt; \alpha, then we reject H_0. Otherwise, we do not reject H_0.

The not equal case
If H_A : \mu \neq \mu_0, then we have
p-value = 2 P(|T| &gt; T_{test}) = 2 P(-T &lt; -T_{test}) + 2 P(T &gt; T_{test}).

Question What now? And is the equality above correct?Thanks.
 
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Klungo said:
Question: If \bar{x} &lt; \mu_0, do we use H_A: \mu &lt; \mu_0?
When do we use &lt;,&gt;,\neq?

The alternative hypothesis is determined by the context of the particular problem. For example if \mu_0 were the mean weight of a type of candy bar and you are a consumer then your concern might be that you are not "short changed" by getting a batch of candy bars whose mean weight is less than \mu_0. if you are a candy bar producer then your concern might be that the factory is not making candy bars that too heavy or too light, so your alternative hypothesis would be that the mean is not equal to \mu_0.

The effect of alternative hypothesis on the mechanics of the problem is that it determines what kind of "acceptance region" you use in the hypothesis test. The typical decision about acceptance regions is whether to do a "one tailed" or "two tailed" test.

You must realize that hypothesis testing is simply a procedure for making a decision. It is not a proof that the decision is correct. It doesn't even tell you the probability that the decision is correct. There is no mathematical proof that it is an optimal procedure. So if you are seeking a mathematical understanding of why hypothesis testing should be done a certain way, you won't find any mathematical justifications based on those goals. If you want a procedure that aims for those goals, you have to study Bayesian statistics.
 
You must realize that hypothesis testing is simply a procedure for making a decision. It is not a proof that the decision is correct. It doesn't even tell you the probability that the decision is correct. There is no mathematical proof that it is an optimal procedure. So if you are seeking a mathematical understanding of why hypothesis testing should be done a certain way, you won't find any mathematical justifications based on those goals.

I just want to know how it's done as it is in a stats 101 course. I know that it is not a proof, but rather an "educated" guess that could be wrong.

[Edit:] That is, the general procedure for solving problems given those assumptions.
 
I declare this thread over. I now understand the procedure.
 

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