Mw 7.0 Papua Quake of 06 Apr 2013

by davenn
Tags: 2013, papua, quake
 Sci Advisor PF Gold P: 2,641 hi all meant to post this earlier ... got busy the above mentioned Mw 7.0 quake is still visible on my digital seismograph screen at http://www.sydneystormcity.com/quakedrum.GIF for a few more hours if anyone interested :) This had very large amplitude Surface Waves compared to the majority of M7 events that I have recorded cheers Dave
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 Admin P: 21,871 So far a mild swarm: Mag Location Date and Time (UTC) Long Lat Depth(km) 4.5 240km WSW of Abepura, Indonesia 2013-04-06 12:06:26 3.409°S 138.560°E 69.6 4.6 241km WSW of Abepura, Indonesia 2013-04-06 06:20:46 3.400°S 138.553°E 68.3 4.7 238km ENE of Enarotali, Indonesia 2013-04-06 10:04:10 3.468°S 138.447°E 86.0 5.2 235km E of Enarotali, Indonesia 2013-04-06 07:50:31 3.523°S 138.432°E 71.1 4.1 220km ENE of Enarotali, Indonesia 2013-04-06 05:57:59 3.522°S 138.300°E 70.6 7.0 239km E of Enarotali, Indonesia 2013-04-06 04:42:36 3.526°S 138.466°E 68.0 5.1 44km W of Ambunti, Papua New Guinea 2013-04-06 12:27:56 4.194°S 142.444°E 118.6 4.7 41km W of Namatanai, Papua New Guinea 2013-04-06 06:56:50 3.723°S 152.064°E 8.4 5.3 22km SSE of Taron, Papua New Guinea 2013-04-06 10:55:42 4.654°S 153.116°E 66.4 5.2 38km WNW of Taron, Papua New Guinea 2013-04-05 19:55:56 4.314°S 152.721°E 35.1 It's on the northern edge of the Australian plate. There are separate quakes further east in PNG.
 Sci Advisor PF Gold P: 2,641 The 5.2 aftershock wasnt quite big enough for me to pick up at 3600km from my location would have had to be at least a 5.7 ;) only a few other M4 + aftershocks, reasonably small number considering the size of the mainshock But that's probably partly due to the focal depth at ~ 70 km Dave
 Admin P: 9,553 Mw 7.0 Papua Quake of 06 Apr 2013 davenn what seismograph are you using? Is it turned on and recording most hours?
 Sci Advisor PF Gold P: 2,641 Thanks Borek :) I knew that was somewhere in the system Greg, Yes, it runs 24/7 the system itself is pretty stable the only dodgy part is the screen capture program, called Snagit, it is currently set to do a screen capture every 5 minutes and then it ftp's that capture file to my www site addy as listed in my first post. It crashes a couple of times a week and I have to restart it when I get home from work, or get up in the morning Hopefully within the next month, my new force babanced vertical (FBV) seismometer will be up and running. I am just awaiting its construction to be completed have a look here for a PDF of the full description of the unit that is starting to become quite popular amongst amateur seismologists The FBV is a broadband sensor and one can use software to bandpass filter the bandwidth of interest. I am hoping that I will be seeing signals down to a period of at least 25 - 30 seconds compared to the ~ 10 - 12 seconds that the current Lehman sensor is giving me. Cheers Dave
 Admin P: 23,577 Do I understand correctly you are using one program to collect and draw the data on the screen, and other - unrelated one - to do screenshots of the data displayed by the first program (and to upload them to your web page)? Does it mean there is no software that will do all three things (data collection, picture generation, uploading) in a one sweep? I especially find the part of making screenshots (when you have a raw data) strange.
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 Quote by Borek Do I understand correctly you are using one program to collect and draw the data on the screen, and other - unrelated one - to do screenshots of the data displayed by the first program (and to upload them to your web page)?
No, everything is done on the one dedicated PC

 Does it mean there is no software that will do all three things (data collection, picture generation, uploading) in a one sweep?
well, the data collection software is supposed to be able to upload screenshots, but I have never been able to get it to work

 I especially find the part of making screenshots (when you have a raw data) strange.
its purely so that you, me, anyone worldwide can go to that www page and see what my system is recording in near real time ( as I said earlier... 5 minute updates)
Some of the major professional seismological institutions have online seismo displays.....

eg. ...
GNS - New Zealand
LISS - Live Internet Seismic Server

and many of us amateur/semi-pro guys are just doing the same :) ....

eg. ....
A station on the central east coast of NSW, Australia north of me ~ 150 km
A friend's station 50km inland from me
A collection of stations hosted on a Californian amateur seismo site

cheers
Dave
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 Quote by davenn No, everything is done on the one dedicated PC
I know it is on one computer, I was asking if it is several separate programs running on one machine.

 well, the data collection software is supposed to be able to upload screenshots, but I have never been able to get it to work
OK, that explains a lot.

I understand it perfectly. Just displaying the data on the screen to make a screenshot to save it on disk is like scratching you left ear with your right foot - doable, but there are simpler and better methods. Image should be generated directly from the raw data without using screen display as an intermediate. There are libraries and ready tools devoted to such an image generation, which is why I was surprised reading your description of what is going on.

Unless what you call a screenshot is not a real screenshot. But it definitely looks like one, with a title bar, menu and whatnot.

See how their plots are JUST plots - no other stuff around.
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 Quote by Borek I know it is on one computer, I was asking if it is several separate programs running on one machine.
There are 2 programs rumming on the PC, the datalogger prog and the screen capture prog

 I understand it perfectly. Just displaying the data on the screen to make a screenshot to save it on disk is like scratching you left ear with your right foot - doable, but there are simpler and better methods. Image should be generated directly from the raw data without using screen display as an intermediate.
no, you still are not quite on the same page ;)
NOTE: the "screen capture" is all done within the puter. The screen doesnt have to be left on to do the capture, I turn the monitor off when I go to bed, turn it on in the morning to see any activity during the nite and turn it off again before going to work
The datalogger puter has its screen at my bench above the screen connected to the puter I'm typing this message on.
I as I type this, I am also looking at the datalogger screen seeing the raw data from the sensor in real time!! no delays, no filtering. I can do filtering in the datalogger software if I wish, but I prefer ( as others also do) to do filtering on any saved event files. I can sit here and watch quakes roll in in real time.
It is the displayed raw data from that 1 of 4 channels that are being simultaneously recorded by the datalogger. I can display all 4 channels simultaneously if I wish, it just looks too messy, so I just display the long period seismometer channel.
The datalogger can handle 8 channels. At the moment I have 4 channels, 1 long period and 3 short period seismometers. When that other sensor arrives some time soon, it will become channel 5.

 There are libraries and ready tools devoted to such an image generation, which is why I was surprised reading your description of what is going on.
not really sure what you mean there ? that is ... why would I need another image generating program ?
The datalogger generates the image to the screen, just as your word processor does so you can see what you are typing

 Unless what you call a screenshot is not a real screenshot. But it definitely looks like one, with a title bar, menu and whatnot.
it is a screen capture(shot), just as if you had hit "cntrl and print screen" keys

 See how their plots are JUST plots - no other stuff around.
thats just a difference in the capture/display method of the capture software and or the datalogger software, nothing more

cheers
Dave
 Sci Advisor PF Gold P: 2,641 As far as screen capturing goes ..... Now I aint no computer engineer ;) But I recall from the dim distant past that, isnt what is to be displayed on the monitor memory mapped ? And that memory mapped data is sent as the VGA signal ( whichever resolution) to the monitor. So all the screen capture software is doing is reading that memory mapped data at an instant in time ? Dave
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 Quote by davenn As far as screen capturing goes ..... Now I aint no computer engineer ;) But I recall from the dim distant past that, isnt what is to be diaplayed on the monitor memory mapped ? And that memory mapped data is sent as the VGA signal ( whichever resolution) to the monitor. So all the screen capture software is doing is reading that memory mapped data at an instant in time ?
Yes, screen capture program reads the data from the video memory, after it was put there by Windows GUI. You don't need to put this information on the screen to save it as an image, image can be rendered directly to the disk (actually it will be rendered into a normal RAM first, but it doesn't matter much). Using screenshots to put the data on the disk is in a way similar to calculating something on the computer and then manually copying the results on paper. It can be done, but there are better ways.

 Quote by davenn not really sure what you mean there ? that is ... why would I need another image generating program ?
To get better control over the image quality, to get rid of the Windows toolbar which is not needed, to make sure you are safe from GUI quirks, to make sure your program generates the same output regardless of whether it is working in the background or foreground, to have control over the resolution and color depth of your images and so on.

Not to mention the fact that using screenshots looks amateurish

 The datalogger generates the image to the screen, just as your word processor does so you can see what you are typing it is a screen capture(shot), just as if you had hit "cntrl and print screen" keys
Right. When you type something into word processor it displays the effect, but when you want to print the document you don't do a screenshot to paste the image into some graphical program to print it from there, you send it directly to the printer. Same with your data - they don't have to go through the screenshot to become an image on the disk, image should be created on the disk directly from the data.

 thats just a difference in the capture/display method of the capture software and or the datalogger software, nothing more
Exactly - and I am more then sure they don't go through the screenshots, but they generate images using dedicated software.
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 Using screenshots to put the data on the disk is in a way similar to calculating something on the computer and then manually copying the results on paper. It can be done, but there are better ways.

That isnt being done :)

 Same with your data - they don't have to go through the screenshot to become an image on the disk, image should be created on the disk directly from the data.
That isnt being done either :)

you still seem not to be understanding why the screenshot is done. It isnt stored anywhere except on my www site, and its only there for 5 minutes till the next uploaded shot overwrites it
The screenshot images NEVER get saved on the datalogger puter ( at all, not for any length of time). They never get permanently saved anywhere

Dave
 Admin P: 23,577 I am 100% sure that making screenshots and uploading them is not the most reasonable and effective way of presenting the data from your seismograph and there are better techniques, but apparently my English fails me when I try to explain why. I give up.
 Sci Advisor PF Gold P: 2,641 no dont give up :) If you have/know of a better piece of software that you know about for ftp'ing a snapshot of what is presented on the screen at that instant in time give me a link and I will investigate. Snagit was the one I finally settled with after trying 4 or 5 different programs. The only major problem I have with Snagit is that its not reliable, as I said a number of posts ago, it crashes regularly. I would love a prog that more stable :) Dave
 Sci Advisor PF Gold P: 1,382 Davenn - Correct me where I'm wrong. Seismographs provide a physical picture - linear time graph - of analog data. Seismographic data is kept, stored and analyzed using the output of pens moving on the surface of slowly moving paper streams. Like an EEG for tracking neural transmissions. The desired and most usable endpoint of your data input stream is the piece of paper with squiggly lines (or a picture of it). The digitally transformed signal data are of no real use? Or more naively: to perform data analysis, native data as wiggly lines on a long piece of graph paper is what you go to? Borek wants to store the immediate predecessor input to the pens, not the emulated output of the pens. As I get it, that is analog data, which is then converted to digital data and amplified. I'd use a sound card. The digitally converted data could be kept for a long time, like using an mp3 format to store analog sound data. Or music if you think of music as data. So there are points in the seismographic system where digital data transformation is made. Even if they may be transient now. This may be complete nonsense to you but it sounds feasible to me. Useful? I dunno.
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 Quote by jim mcnamara Davenn - Correct me where I'm wrong. Seismographs provide a physical picture - linear time graph - of analog data. Seismographic data is kept, stored and analyzed using the output of pens moving on the surface of slowly moving paper streams. Like an EEG for tracking neural transmissions. The desired and most usable endpoint of your data input stream is the piece of paper with squiggly lines (or a picture of it). The digitally transformed signal data are of no real use? Or more naively: to perform data analysis, native data as wiggly lines on a long piece of graph paper is what you go to?
Greetings Jim
thanks for taking an interest :)

That's not what is happening. my system IS A DIGITAL system. There are no pen on paper recorders. The only place there is an analog signal is the velocity generated voltage from the sensor through the 300 - 500 gain low noise preamp to the input of the A to D chip. From there on its all digital, the datalogging, storage, and display.
In the late 80's and through the 90's I had a pen on rotating drum recorder. But they are pretty much a thing of the past now.

 Borek wants to store the immediate predecessor input to the pens, not the emulated output of the pens. As I get it, that is analog data, which is then converted to digital data and amplified. I'd use a sound card. The digitally converted data could be kept for a long time, like using an mp3 format to store analog sound data. Or music if you think of music as data. So there are points in the seismographic system where digital data transformation is made. Even if they may be transient now. This may be complete nonsense to you but it sounds feasible to me. Useful? I dunno.

thats all pretty irrelevent ... I suspected he still wasnt understanding what was going on :) and if what you say is what he was thinking, I can now understand his confusion

I have the raw digital data for my 4 channels on the HDD that I can access any time and replay events, going back months. I can save that event into the analysis software, do FFT filtering, naming the event, putting in the lat and long, depth, date and time so it can calculate magnitude and distance from my station
The datalogging software is specifically designed for datalogging earthquakes. The analysis software is specifically designed to work with the data files from the logging software. It will even allow me to download raw digital records from the USGS/NEIC database of events and I can view that record of a given event along side my own record

this is a screen shot of a quake in the analysis prog....

hope that helps clear up the misunderstandings :)

Dave
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 P: 748 Dave, I have to agree with Borek. Rather than send a screenshot, get your computer connected to the data logger to send a seismic trace file (or 4 if you have 4 channels). (What format do you save your seismic data?) Then have a script to generate a plot from the data. You can be as creative as you like, you could include FFTs in your plot for example. Whatever format you are using there is bound to be something freely available online to display your data. For example, although I haven't used it myself, I am told obspy is a pretty neat and flexible tool if you want to use python.

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