Conversion of Voltage into Radiation counts

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conversion of voltage readings from an oscilloscope into radiation counts, particularly in the context of using an oscilloscope in place of a traditional Geiger counter. Participants explore the feasibility of this approach and the relationship between voltage and radiation detection.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the exact conversion of voltage readings to radiation counts, suggesting a dependency of radiation counts on applied voltage.
  • Another participant emphasizes that voltage does not produce radiation counts and that the applied voltage is primarily for amplification of weak signals.
  • There is a suggestion to replace the counter in a Geiger counter schematic with an oscilloscope to visualize radiation events.
  • One participant expresses concern that using an oscilloscope may not effectively display radiation counts, as it would show voltage instead.
  • Another participant notes that the oscilloscope will produce spikes for each detected photon, but the height of these spikes is irrelevant to the count of detected photons.
  • A participant questions how to obtain counts per minute (CPM) from the oscilloscope readings, indicating a desire for a method to derive this information.
  • One response suggests that using both a Geiger counter and an oscilloscope together could help visualize the voltage spikes, but cautions that the oscilloscope may not provide meaningful data alone.
  • Another participant mentions the possibility of using a sophisticated digital storage oscilloscope with a proportional counter, though they note it may require significant effort.
  • One participant brings up the existence of various types of counters, suggesting that there are many alternatives to consider beyond the oscilloscope setup.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of using an oscilloscope to measure radiation counts, with some arguing it is not the appropriate tool while others explore the idea further. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conversion of voltage to radiation counts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of the measurement setup and the limitations of using an oscilloscope for this purpose, indicating that assumptions about the relationship between voltage and radiation counts may not hold true.

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Good day everyone,
Anyone know how to convert (exact conversion if possible) voltage readings using an oscilloscope into radiation counts? It can be done right? After all, the radiation count is dependent on voltage applied. I've been looking for a while now with no luck on the matter.

Thanks and GODBLESS.
 
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Without a description of the measurement setup, it is impossible to answer your question.
 
You understand voltage does not produce radiation counts, right. In general the radiation count should NOT depend on the voltage applied...applied voltage is used to amplify very weak register counts intio more easily detectable power levels.

If you want to display radiation counts on an oscilloscope, is that your objective, just replace the counter in the schematic here with the inputs to your oscilloscope:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter

You won't see much of interest...just blips [spikes] which you will have to count manually.
 
thanks for the response...

@Naty1: I'm trying to obtain radiation counts with that setup, replacing the counter with and oscilloscope. but wouldn't the oscilloscope display the voltage from the setup instead of radiation counts? or is it already the radiation counts that the oscilloscope records?
 
why do you want to use a scope ... a really difficult way to do the counting when there are much easier ways ?

Dave
 
just trying to do things differently, if it is possible.. any thoughts? in a geiger setup, instead of a counter i'll be using an oscilloscope. the oscilloscope would read the counts but in voltage. any ideas how to convert this voltage into radiation counts?
 
The oscilloscope will give a spike for every detected photon. You would have to count those spikes, their height is not relevant for the number of detected photons.
 
if the height of the spikes produced are irrelevant to the number of radiation events[photon >> gamma rays], how would i be able to obtain the CPM?
 
You can't. That's what we are trying to tell you. You're using the wrong tool.
 
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how would i be able to obtain the CPM?

Run the Geiger counter and the oscilloscope together. And you'll be able to see each voltage spike as it registers...then you can disconnect the oscilloscope because as I said in my first post "you won;t see anything of interest..."

But fussing with equipment on your own to get a feel for how different apparatus works can be fun in itself...
 
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thanks for the help.. GODBLESS
 
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emir...you know there are dozens if not hundreds of counters around..right??...
most counters I know of are based on mechanical or electrical inputs. For example, the make counters for bilge pumps on boats...so when you have been away and return you can see if you bilge pump has been cycling on and off...indicating a leak! Have you seen digital tachometers?? etc,etc...On my boat I had a 12v pulse generator mounted on the engine ...magnetic based I'm sure...and electric wires to the helm [steering station] for the display of engine speed.
 

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