How Do You Verify This Trigonometric Identity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around verifying a trigonometric identity involving sine and cosine functions. Participants explore various methods to simplify and manipulate the given equation, seeking assistance and clarification on their approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster presents a trigonometric identity and expresses difficulty in verifying it.
  • Some participants suggest substituting trigonometric functions with their exponential forms, indicating a method involving complex numbers.
  • Others propose combining fractions as a potential simplification strategy.
  • A participant points out that the exponential method is reliable, while another suggests there may be a simpler approach without complex identities.
  • The original poster describes their attempts to simplify the expression but expresses confusion about their results.
  • One participant corrects the original poster's assertion that \(1 - \sin x = \cos x\), clarifying that this is not accurate and referencing the Pythagorean identity instead.
  • Another participant highlights errors in the original poster's simplification process and encourages them to revisit their steps.
  • Cross multiplication is suggested as a technique to eliminate fractions in the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to verify the identity, with multiple approaches and corrections being discussed. The original poster's understanding and simplification process remain unclear, leading to ongoing questions and suggestions.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions and potential errors in simplification steps, which have not been fully resolved. The discussion reflects various levels of understanding among participants regarding trigonometric identities.

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cos x - cos y sin x - sin y
sin x + sin y + cos x + cos y = 0

or to see better i guess...

(cos x - cos y)/(sin x + sin y) + (sin x - siny)/(cos x + cos y) = 0

can you guys help me? I'm really stuck on this!
 
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InFiNiTeX said:
cos x - cos y sin x - sin y
sin x + sin y + cos x + cos y = 0

or to see better i guess...

(cos x - cos y)/(sin x + sin y) + (sin x - siny)/(cos x + cos y) = 0

can you guys help me? I'm really stuck on this!
What have you tried and where are you stuck ?
 
Substitute [tex]\cos \theta = \displaystyle\frac{e^{i\theta}+e^{-i\theta}}{2}[/tex] and [tex]\sin \theta = \displaystyle\frac{e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta}}{2i}[/tex] with the understanding that [itex]i^2=-1[/itex].
 
How about just combining the fractions?
 
robphy said:
Substitute [tex]\cos \theta = \displaystyle\frac{e^{i\theta}+e^{-i\theta}}{2}[/tex] and [tex]\sin \theta = \displaystyle\frac{e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta}}{2i}[/tex] with the understanding that [itex]i^2=-1[/itex].
There's actually a simpler way to solve this without resorting to complex identities that the original poster may not know. :smile:
 
hypermorphism said:
There's actually a simpler way to solve this without resorting to complex identities that the original poster may not know. :smile:

While this may be true, this exponential method never fails, of course. :smile:
 
In fact it is nearly trivial, obvious to casual inspection.

OP , What have you tried?
 
well this is what i tried to do...

first i tried to combine them

(cos x - cos y) ( sin x - sin y)/ (sin x + sin y) (cos x + cos y)

then i got

(cos^2 x ) - (cos^2 y)/(sin x + sin y) (cos x + cos y) + (sin^2 x)(sin^2 y)/ (sin x + sin y) (cos x + cos y)

and after that part i kinda just confused myself but i just thought of this...

that part changes to

(1 - sin^2 x) - (1 - sin^2 y) / (sin x + sin y) (cos x + cos y) + (1 - cos^2 x) (1 - cos y) / (sin x + sin y) (cos x + cos y)

which i can turn into

(1 - sin x) - (1 - sin y) / cos x + cos y + (1 - cos x) (1 - cos y) / (sin x + sin y)

now those fractions cancel out right? cause (1 - sin x) and (1 - sin y) is the same as cos x and cos y as (1 - cos x) and (1 - cos y) are the same as (sin x) and (sin y) right? so if all that cancels out i get 0!

while in the shower it struck me that 1 - sin x = cos x , so i went from there..

i hope that is the right answer, if not could you please help me go in the right direction? thanks for your guys much appreciated help!
 
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InFiNiTeX said:
while in the shower it struck me that 1 - sin x = cos x , so i went from there..
This isn't correct. The equation you may be attempting to reference is sin2(x) + cos2(x) = 1.
Regarding your original equation, try putting the fractions on opposite sides of the equation:
[tex]\frac{\cos x - \cos y}{\sin x + \sin y} + \frac{\sin x - \sin y}{\cos x + \cos y} = 0[/tex]
is the same as
[tex]\frac{\cos x - \cos y}{\sin x + \sin y} = -\frac{\sin x - \sin y}{\cos x + \cos y}[/tex]
or
[tex]\frac{\cos x - \cos y}{\sin x + \sin y} = \frac{\sin y - \sin x}{\cos x + \cos y}[/tex]
Do you see a way to get rid of the fractions from here ?
 
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Yes, look at hypermorphism's last post for ideas. You seem to have made several errors in simplification.
 
  • #11
I have bolded your error
(cos^2 x ) - (cos^2 y)/(sin x + sin y) (cos x + cos y) + (sin^2 x)( sin^2 y)/ (sin x + sin y) (cos x + cos y)

go back and double check where this came from, it is not correct. Everything else is ok
 
  • #12
ok thanks for your help Integral! and hypermorphism, sorry i just can't see how to get rid of the fractions... I'm sure its very easy and i will feel really dumb though...
 
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  • #13
You have this equation, from hypermorphism's last post:

[tex]\frac{\cos x - \cos y}{\sin x + \sin y} = \frac{\sin y - \sin x}{\cos x + \cos y}[/tex]

Do you remember cross multiplication?
 
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  • #14
OHH! see i told you it would probably be very easy... thanks for your help!
 

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