Damped Harmonic Oscillator & Mechanical Energy

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The discussion revolves around a damped harmonic oscillator that loses 5.0 percent of its mechanical energy per cycle. Participants are exploring how this energy loss affects the frequency and amplitude of the oscillator, specifically in relation to the natural frequency defined by \(\omega_0 = \sqrt{k/m}\). The problem includes two main questions regarding the percentage difference in frequency and the time it takes for the amplitude to decrease to \(1/e\) of its original value.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to derive the modified frequency \(\omega'\) in terms of the natural frequency \(\omega_0\) and are questioning the number of unknowns involved in the equations. They are also discussing the relationship between energy loss and amplitude reduction, with some participants providing insights into the proportionality of energy to the square of the amplitude.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the amplitude's decrease and the implications of energy loss on the system's behavior. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between energy and amplitude, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach to solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraint of needing to relate multiple variables (k, m, b) while considering the energy loss per cycle. The discussion also reflects on the definitions and relationships inherent in the mechanics of damped oscillators.

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Question: A damped harmonic oscillator loses 5.0 percent of its mechanical energy per cycle. (a) By what percentage does its frequency differ from the natural frequency [itex]\omega_0 = \sqrt{k/m}[/itex]? (b) After how may periods will the amplitude have decreased to 1/e of its original value?

So, for (a), the answer is [itex]\omega ' / \omega_0[/itex] where

[tex]\omega ' = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m} - \frac{b^2}{4m^2}}[/tex]

But that leaves me with 3 unknowns, k, m, and b requiring three equations to solve. The only equations I can think of is E = K + U (mechanical energy) and E = 0.95TE0 where T is the number of cycles and E0 is the initial mechanical energy.

What other equation can I use? Or is there a simpler method of finding the solution?
 
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e(ho0n3 said:
Question: A damped harmonic oscillator loses 5.0 percent of its mechanical energy per cycle. (a) By what percentage does its frequency differ from the natural frequency [itex]\omega_0 = \sqrt{k/m}[/itex]? (b) After how may periods will the amplitude have decreased to 1/e of its original value?

So, for (a), the answer is [itex]\omega ' / \omega_0[/itex] where

[tex]\omega ' = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m} - \frac{b^2}{4m^2}}[/tex]

But that leaves me with 3 unknowns, k, m, and b requiring three equations to solve. The only equations I can think of is E = K + U (mechanical energy) and E = 0.95TE0 where T is the number of cycles and E0 is the initial mechanical energy.

What other equation can I use? Or is there a simpler method of finding the solution?
The amplitude is given by:

[tex]A = A_0e^{-\gamma t}[/tex] where [itex]\gamma = b/2m[/itex] 1

Work out the value for [itex]\gamma[/itex] given that A^2 decreases to .95A_0^2 in the first [itex]T = 2\pi /\omega '[/itex] seconds.

Then find [itex]\omega '[/itex] in terms of [itex]\omega_0[/itex] using:
[itex]\omega '^2 = \omega_0^2 - \gamma^2[/itex]

AM

[Note: 1. The solution to the damped harmonic oscillator is:

[tex]x = A_0e^{-\gamma t}sin(\omega 't + \phi)[/tex]

where [itex]\omega ' = \sqrt{\omega^2 - \gamma^2}[/itex] ]
 
Andrew Mason said:
Work out the value for [itex]\gamma[/itex] given that A^2 decreases to .95A_0^2 in the first [itex]T = 2\pi /\omega '[/itex] seconds.
How do you know the square of the amplitude decreases to .95A_0^2 in the first T seconds?
 
e(ho0n3 said:
How do you know the square of the amplitude decreases to .95A_0^2 in the first T seconds?
Energy is proportional to the square of the amplitude (all energy is potential energy at maximum amplitude: [itex]E = \frac{1}{2}kx^2[/itex]). If the system loses 5% of its energy in one cycle, the square of the amplitude will decrease to 95% of the square of the original amplitude.

AM
 

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