Could two past events result in the same happening?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether two past events can lead to the same outcome, using examples from quantum mechanics, particularly the double-slit experiment and Schrödinger's cat. Participants explore the implications of multiple interpretations of quantum mechanics on the nature of past events and their histories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that just as there are multiple possible futures, there may also be multiple pasts, as illustrated by Schrödinger's cat analogy.
  • One participant mentions that in the double-slit experiment, a particle could have gone through either slit, suggesting a non-deterministic view of past events.
  • Another participant argues that according to certain interpretations of quantum mechanics, there is only one history, as the wave function evolves deterministically until measurement occurs.
  • It is noted that Feynman's sum over histories provides a framework where both paths (through slit 1 and slit 2) contribute to the probability of detection at the screen, implying multiple histories leading to the same outcome.
  • A participant reflects on the question of backward determinism in quantum mechanics, acknowledging a misunderstanding of the original question's intent.
  • One participant draws a parallel to real-world scenarios, suggesting that similar situations occur in courtrooms where multiple plausible narratives can explain the same incident.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of past events and their interpretations in quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on whether multiple pasts can coexist or if only one history is valid.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various interpretations of quantum mechanics, highlighting the dependence on specific theoretical frameworks and the implications of measurement on the nature of reality. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding these interpretations.

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Hello Everybody.

Could two past events result in the same happening? For example: We have observed the "incident A" and we have two different stories to explain that incident: The "history 1" and the "history 2". Both stories are equally plausible and equally likely. The question is "which of these stories is true?" Does this question make sense? Are both true stories?

The thing is that I've been thinking about Schrödinger's poor cat and I wondered if, just as there are multiple futures, there may be multiple pasts.

Thank you very much and sorry for my English :)
 
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Gonzalo said:
The thing is that I've been thinking about Schrödinger's poor cat and I wondered if, just as there are multiple futures, there may be multiple pasts.
Sure, in the double-slit experiment a particle hits the screen. In the past, it might have gone through slit 1 or it might have gone through slit 2.
 
Thanks :)
 
Bill_K said:
Sure, in the double-slit experiment a particle hits the screen. In the past, it might have gone through slit 1 or it might have gone through slit 2.
I am not sure about this answer. In two slit experiments, we have one wave function evolving deterministically until measurement at the screen. According to many QM interpretations, this is just one history: the particle does not follow a determinate path and does not have a determinate position until measurement. Before then the wave function is all.
Using such interpretations, the answer to the original question is still yes. Two wave functions can both collapse to the same position at measurement, for example. Measuring that position would be one event with two possible histories.
 
BenjaminTR said:
I am not sure about this answer
This is the whole point of Feynman's sum over histories. There's an amplitude for the particle to pass through slit 1, and an amplitude for the particle to pass through slit 2, and the probability for the particle to be detected at a certain point on the screen is a coherent combination of the two.
 
Bill_K said:
This is the whole point of Feynman's sum over histories. There's an amplitude for the particle to pass through slit 1, and an amplitude for the particle to pass through slit 2, and the probability for the particle to be detected at a certain point on the screen is a coherent combination of the two.
I see. I was thinking of the question as asking whether backward determinism is true in QM even if forward determinism is not. I now realize this interpretation of the question does not make sense given the analogy to Schrödinger's cat, so your answer is better.
 
Gonzalo said:
Could two past events result in the same happening? For example: We have observed the "incident A" and we have two different stories to explain that incident: The "history 1" and the "history 2". Both stories are equally plausible and equally likely. The question is "which of these stories is true?" Does this question make sense? Are both true stories?

I think this happens everyday in courtrooms. :-)
 

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