Special relativity- time expansion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of time dilation in special relativity, specifically in the context of a pion's decay and its average speed required to travel a distance of 10 meters before decaying. Participants explore the relationship between distance, velocity, and time in different reference frames.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about when to apply the time dilation equation in the context of the distance formula D=vt, questioning the conditions under which substitution is appropriate.
  • Another participant provides the time dilation formula, indicating the relationship between the time in the laboratory frame (t_0) and the proper time (t) experienced by the pion, and how this relates to the distance traveled.
  • A participant raises a question about the interpretation of the distance of 10 meters, seeking clarification on whether this distance is measured from the pion's frame of reference or the laboratory frame.
  • One participant clarifies that the distance of 10 meters is indeed measured in the laboratory frame, emphasizing the necessity of including the gamma factor in calculations due to the relativistic effects experienced by the pion.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the clarification provided, indicating a better understanding of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the application of the time dilation concept, but there remains uncertainty regarding the interpretation of distances in different reference frames and the conditions under which to apply the relevant equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the nuances of applying the time dilation equation in various contexts, particularly regarding the reference frames and the implications of measuring distances from different perspectives.

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i don't understand when to use substitution as used in the answer to this question:

how fast must a pion be moving, on average, to travel 10m before it decays? average lifetime is 2.6*10^-8.

i know the answer is D=V( to/ sqroot 1-v^2/c^2) but i don't understand why and how to know when to put the time expansion equation into the D=vt equation.
When would u ever do this again, and why isn't the pion's lifetime= t, b/c its at rest.
 
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[tex] t_0 = \gamma t = \frac{t}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex]

Where [itex]t_0[/itex] is the time in the labortory frame and [itex]t[/itex] is the time for the pion. So:
[tex] D=V t_0 = V t \gamma= V \frac{t}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex]
 
so T is the rest time for the pion... what about 10m? that isn't from pion's point of view, but how do you know that?
 
The equation I posted last time was for the distance in the laboratory frame. The question is asking for 10m in the laboratory frame or else you would not need to inclulde the gamma factor([itex]\gamma[/itex]).

In SR, from the pions point of view it is at rest and it is the rest of the world that is moving around the pion. It does not make sense to ask how far it moves in its own frame.
 
o, much clearer now, thnx
 

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