Is it possible for a Rocky Giant with rings around it?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the possibility of a rocky planet, referred to as a "Rock Giant," being the size of Jupiter and whether such a planet could have a ring system similar to Saturn's. Participants examine the implications of a rocky composition on atmospheric retention and the characteristics of known gas giants.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a planet made of rock could reach the size of Jupiter, suggesting that such a planet would likely retain gases and develop a thick atmosphere, resembling a gas giant.
  • There is a proposal that rocky planets could potentially have ring systems, as the formation of rings is not necessarily linked to being a gas giant.
  • A participant mentions the possibility that Earth may have had a ring system during the moon's formation.
  • Questions arise about the core composition of gas giants like Jupiter and whether they contain rocky cores, with some suggesting that Jupiter has a rocky core of significant mass.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of rocky planets in other solar systems that might be classified as giants, but certainty is lacking.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the existence of rocky giants and their potential characteristics, but no consensus is reached on these ideas. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the lack of evidence for rocky planets with rings and the uncertainties surrounding the core compositions of gas giants. The discussion highlights the speculative nature of the claims made.

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Most giant planets we know of are Gas Giants. Is it possible for a planet made of rocks to be the size of jupiter? In other words is it possible for a Rock Giant?

Also, is it also possible for a rocky planet to have rings around it like Saturn? Though we have found no rocky planet with rings around it, it is still very possible because those rings aren't linked to the gas of a Gas Giant, right?
 
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Silverbackman said:
Also, is it also possible for a rocky planet to have rings around it like Saturn? Though we have found no rocky planet with rings around it, it is still very possible because those rings aren't linked to the gas of a Gas Giant, right?

Right. It's possible that the Earth had a ring system when the moon was first forming.
 
Silverbackman said:
Most giant planets we know of are Gas Giants. Is it possible for a planet made of rocks to be the size of jupiter? In other words is it possible for a Rock Giant?

The problem is that such a planet will hold on to any gases escaping from its interior very well. As a result, it will most likely end up with a thick dense atmoshere. IOW, it will take on the appearance of a gas giant with a rocky core.
 
Janus said:
The problem is that such a planet will hold on to any gases escaping from its interior very well. As a result, it will most likely end up with a thick dense atmoshere. IOW, it will take on the appearance of a gas giant with a rocky core.

Could Jupiter or any other gas giant have a rocky core?

Also, have we found other giant planets in other solar systems yet that appear to be giant but instead of it being a gas planet it actually appears as a rocky planet?
 
Silverbackman said:
Could Jupiter or any other gas giant have a rocky core?

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http://www.seds.org/billa/tnp/

Jupiter probably has a core of rocky material amounting to something like 10 to 15 Earth-masses.
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Saturn's interior is similar to Jupiter's consisting of a rocky core, a liquid metallic hydrogen layer and a molecular hydrogen layer. Traces of various ices are also present.
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Uranus is composed primarily of rock and various ices, with only about 15% hydrogen and a little helium (in contrast to Jupiter and Saturn which are mostly hydrogen). Uranus (and Neptune) are in many ways similar to the cores of Jupiter and Saturn minus the massive liquid metallic hydrogen envelope. It appears that Uranus does not have a rocky core like Jupiter and Saturn but rather that its material is more or less uniformly distributed.
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Neptune's composition is probably similar to Uranus': various "ices" and rock with about 15% hydrogen and a little helium. Like Uranus, but unlike Jupiter and Saturn, it may not have a distinct internal layering but rather to be more or less uniform in composition. But there is most likely a small core (about the mass of the Earth) of rocky material. Its atmosphere is mostly hydrogen and helium with a small amount of methane.
 
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