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The discussion revolves around the factors influencing the eccentricity of planetary orbits, the implications of eccentricity for habitability, and the detectability of planets with high eccentric orbits. It encompasses theoretical considerations, potential mechanisms, and speculative implications for life.

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  • Some participants propose that the eccentricity of orbits may be influenced by the mass of the star and the planet, as well as the initial conditions of the star-forming nebula.
  • Others mention that orbits can become eccentric due to collisions or tidal perturbations from nearby massive objects, suggesting that these mechanisms can significantly alter orbital shapes.
  • There is speculation about a limit to the eccentricity of a planet's orbit that would allow for life, with some participants arguing that human life could not withstand high eccentricity, while acknowledging uncertainty about other potential life forms.
  • Participants discuss the detectability of planets with high eccentric orbits, with differing opinions on whether eccentricity affects detection ease, particularly in relation to Doppler detection methods.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the causes of orbital eccentricity, the implications for habitability, and the detection of such planets. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

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There are limitations regarding assumptions about the relationship between eccentricity and habitability, as well as the specific mechanisms that lead to eccentric orbits. The discussion also reflects a lack of consensus on the impact of eccentricity on detection methods.

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More eccentric than others? is it because of the star they revolve around, the mass of the planet?

And is there a limit to an eccentricity of a planet's orbit so it could support life, how much eccentricity is too much for the planet to be inhabitable?

And is it true that it is easier to detect planet with high eccentric orbits?
 
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Gold Barz said:
More eccentric than others? is it because of the star they revolve around, the mass of the planet?
Orbits generally begin eccentric, since the dust particles making up a star-forming nebula are not arranged in a spherically symmetric fashion; it actually takes some mechanism to circularize them.
And is there a limit to an eccentricity of a planet's orbit so it could support life, how much eccentricity is too much for the planet to be inhabitable?
Human life wouldn't be able to withstand much eccentricity at all, but no one knows how many different kinds of life there might be. Your questions are good, but no one knows the answers.
And is it true that it is easier to detect planet with high eccentric orbits?
My first instinct is that it would be easier; after some careful thought, I think it might not make any difference, at least with the Doppler detection current being performed. The amplitude of the wobble is the most important criterion for detection, not the shape of the wobble's waveform. Perhaps someone with more first-hand knowledge than I can better answer.

- Warren
 
Gold Barz said:
More eccentric than others?

Aside from what chroot mentioned, you can also make an eccentric orbit by a simple collision or a tidal perturbation from a nearby massive object. It's believed that comets are sent into eccentric orbits by one of these two mechanisms. There was even a theory that the periodicity of mass extinctions on Earth was a result of a massive object in the Oort cloud that would periodically perturb large numbers of cometary orbits and send them plowing into the inner solar system.
 
SpaceTiger said:
Aside from what chroot mentioned, you can also make an eccentric orbit by a simple collision or a tidal perturbation from a nearby massive object. It's believed that comets are sent into eccentric orbits by one of these two mechanisms. There was even a theory that the periodicity of mass extinctions on Earth was a result of a massive object in the Oort cloud that would periodically perturb large numbers of cometary orbits and send them plowing into the inner solar system.
I can numerically illustrate Chroot and ST's comments - (What ST just said and Chroot's comments about the limited variation in orbit that permit life as we know it to thrive)



A small change in Earth's orbit, even with little change in the annual solar heating, will kill most people - Choot is right about this and ST about how easy it is to change orbits with a mass passing by.
 
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