What are Hamiltonian Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Hamiltonian Mechanics, seeking a basic definition and examples without heavy mathematical jargon. Participants explore its place within Classical Mechanics and compare it to other formulations like Newtonian and Lagrangian Mechanics.

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  • Lucretius requests a simple definition of Hamiltonian Mechanics, expressing frustration with complex mathematical explanations.
  • Daniel defines Hamiltonian Mechanics as a formulation of Classical Mechanics based on the Hamilton function, Hamilton action, and the Principle of Least Action.
  • Another participant outlines the differences between Newtonian, Lagrangian, and Hamiltonian Mechanics, noting that Hamiltonian Mechanics leads to a system of 2n first-order differential equations.
  • A suggestion is made to write and solve the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian equations for a particle in free fall, emphasizing the practical applications of these formulations.
  • Kirk expresses enthusiasm for Hamiltonian Mechanics, suggesting that it can simplify solving many physics problems compared to Newtonian Mechanics.

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Participants present various perspectives on Hamiltonian Mechanics, with no consensus reached on a singular definition or approach. The discussion includes both requests for clarification and technical explanations, indicating a mix of understanding and uncertainty.

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Some participants express a desire for simpler explanations, highlighting potential limitations in the accessibility of Hamiltonian Mechanics for those unfamiliar with advanced mathematics.

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Can anyone give me a basic definition of Hamiltonian Mechanics without all the fancy mathematics, and perhaps could supply a few examples as to this? I am trying to make sense of this, but everywhere I go, I run into very large mathematical equations and no defintions I can understand.

Thanks,

Lucretius
 
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Classical Mechanics (CM,for short) has 3 formulations,one of which being the Hamiltonian one.So the definition could be:the formulation of Classical Mechanics based on:
a)The Hamilton function.
b)The Hamilton action.
c)The Principle of Least Action applied to th functional at b).


Daniel.
 
Newtonian Mechanics: based on forces; leads to a second-order differential equation for position.
Lagrangian Mechanics: an energy-method based on n coordinates and their velocities; leads to a system of n second-order differential equations.
Hamiltonian Mechanics: an energy-based method based on n coordinates and their momenta; leads to a system of 2n first-order differential equations.

Start with the free particle.
Then, do the harmonic oscillator.

These look useful:
http://academics.smcvt.edu/abrizard/Classical_Mechanics/Notes.pdf
http://core.ecu.edu/phys/flurchickk/Classes/PH4226/Section6/Index6.html (colorful)
 
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you might also try writing the Lagragrian and Hamiltonian equation equations and solving them for a particle involved in free fall.
F=mg choosing one dimensional motion and no air resistance of course.

You might ask yourself, why would anyone want to do physics this way instead of using Newtonian mechanics?

Well believe it or not many more problems in physics are easier and only possible to solve using these formulations!

HAVE FUN! You are no longer talking baby steps with Physics! You are entering Puberty!

Good Luck!

I am glad I do not have to grind those equations anymore!

love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/kirksresume.htm
 
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