Can a New Gravity Theory Rival Einstein's Predictions?

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The discussion centers around a proposed new theory of gravity that aims to correct Newtonian gravity in extreme relativistic cases, while remaining compatible with Special Relativity. Participants explore potential experimental tests for this theory, particularly focusing on the precession of the perihelion of Mercury and the challenges associated with calculating it, as well as seeking alternative tests of General Relativity (GTR).

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims to have developed a new theory of gravity that corrects Newtonian gravity in relativistic scenarios and seeks to test it against experimental observations.
  • Another participant suggests a resource for tests of General Relativity, indicating that it contains numerous references relevant to the discussion.
  • A participant mentions that Goldstein's "Classical Mechanics" provides limited information on perturbations due to other planets, focusing instead on gravitational perturbations from General Relativity.
  • One participant proposes exploring corrections to the Lorentz gamma factor as a potential avenue for investigation.
  • Another participant shares insights from Goldstein regarding the perturbation potential being dependent on dynamical variables through radial distance, not velocity.
  • A participant expresses interest in numerically solving differential equations to investigate the perihelion shift but questions whether perturbation theory might be a more effective approach.
  • Another participant cautions that the problem is not straightforward and suggests familiarity with Hamilton-Jacobi theory and action-angle variables may be necessary for a deeper understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved regarding the best approach to testing the proposed theory of gravity and the complexities involved in calculating the precession of the perihelion of Mercury.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the applicability of perturbation theory in celestial mechanics and the specific methods required to analyze the precession of the perihelion of Mercury.

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We all know that Einsteins GTR accounts for observations that Newtonian gravitation cannot account for. I have "created" a theory of gravity (I put created in quotes becase it feels more like I found it) that makes corrections to Newtonian gravity in the same extreme relativistic cases. (this theory is compatible with STR) . For the purposes of math, I am talking about a force that is a function of radial distance: F(r).

The point of bothering you all with this, is that I would like to test my theory of gravity against experimental observations. I have thought about the classic test: the precession of the perihelion of mercury, but I have no idea how to undertake this calculation (I have studied the classical two body problem, but I don't know how to account for the perturbations caused by the other planets that cause the precession in the first place). I have tried looking for books, but I cannot find any that treat this problem in detail.

If anyone can suggest another test of GTR (besides gravitational lensing) that I could test my theory with, I would be very grateful. If anyone can tell me anything about the precession of the perihelion of mercury, I would be very grateful. I have heard that every testable prediction of GTR is based on the Schwarzschild metric, is this true?
 
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Hi Crosson,

The best place to start is http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/ - not only is there a very long list of tests of GR, but also literally hundreds of references.

I'm also moving this to the SR&GR section; you'll likely get a more focused set of replies here.
 
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There is some limited information in Goldstein's "Classical mechanics", in the chapter on canoincal pertubatio theory, pg 511-512. However, the pertubation of the other planets isn't really addressed, only the pertubation due to GR, which is idealized as a small 1/r^3 "pertubation term" in the gravitational potential.
 
How about corrections to the Lorentz gamma factor ? As the influention of gravity fields on time dilation,length contraction,relativistic mass...

Daniel.
 
Here's what Goldstein has to say

In other words, the pertubation potential is a function of the dynamical variables only through r; it is not to be construed as velocity dependent.

Goldstein notes that you can derive the 1/r^3 potential correction from the 1-d energy equation on pg 688 of MTW's gravitation.
 
Crosson:

What is your theory?
 
Thanks for the information everyone, its funny how tough it is to dig up the nitty gritty details of these results that we hear quoted so often. So far, I am leaning towards the problem of the perihelion of mercury because it seems to be the easiest.

I had envisioned numerically solving differential equations to check the shift in perihelion by brute force. I am beginning to get the impression that the reason I have not seen this done in the literature is that it hasn't been done, because perturbation theory allows for a better way.

I have worked with perturbations before, but not in the context of celestial mechanics. Given that I will investigate the resources you have recommended, I would be grateful if you could answer this question: Would it be as simple as solving the two body problem, and then perturbing the angle theta to see how the perturbation grows in time? Alternatively (but just as simplemindedly), should I perturb the force and then solve the two body problem?
 
It's not quite that simple :-(. If you've done Hamilton-Jacobi theory and "action-angle" variables, or you've heard of Delaunay variables, Goldstein's approach will look pretty attractive. Otherwise, it might not.
 

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