Space like time like light like separations?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of spacetime separations, specifically focusing on lightlike, timelike, and spacelike separations. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these separations in the context of relativity and causality.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of space/time/lightlike separations.
  • Another participant describes three types of separations: lightlike, timelike, and spacelike, providing examples for each.
  • It is noted that timelike separated events occur in the same order for all inertial observers, while spacelike events can have different temporal orders for different observers.
  • A participant mentions that spacelike connectivity is a requirement in quantum electrodynamics.
  • There is a claim that spacelike separations involve events that are always separated in space for every frame, while timelike separations involve events always separated in time for every frame.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of lightlike, timelike, and spacelike separations, but there are nuances regarding their implications in different frames of reference and contexts, particularly in relation to quantum physics and relativity.

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Some statements may depend on specific interpretations of relativity and quantum mechanics, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in these theories.

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Hi

I tried using the search function but it keeps timing out on me. Anyway I'm trying to find a good description of what is meant by space/time/light like separations, could someone help me out? :confused:

Thanks :wink:
 
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Consider two locations in spacetime, say (t1,x1) and (t2,x2) where the ts are time coordinates and the x's are space coordinated (you can think of them either as one dimensional numbers or as three-dimensional vectors). Suppose you send a light signal out from (t1,x1). There are three possibilities:
1) The light arrives at space location x2 precisely at time t2. Then the two four-dimensional locations are said to be lightlike separated. An example; if you see a star, then the star and your eye are lightlike separated.
2) The light arrives at x2 before t2. Then (t1,x1) and (t2,x2) are timelike separated, and we say that (t2,x2) is inside the lightcone of (t1,x1). Timelike events can interact, since even a slower-than-light cause can reach x2 from x1 in time (t2-t1).
3) The light arrives at x2 after t2. Then (t1x1) and (t2,x2) are spacelike separated and cannot causally interact, since a causal influence would have to travel faster than ligh (impossible for real causes) to get from x1 to x2 in time (t2-t1).
 
Thanks that helped!
 
Just want to thanks selfAdjoint for your simple but great descriptions.
 
Just thought I would add that timelike separated events always happen in the same order according to any inertial observer (to conserve causality), while different observers with different relative velocities can disagree on the temporal order of spacelike events, but this is not a problem because spacelike events are not causally connected.
 
yuiop said:
Just thought I would add that timelike separated events always happen in the same order according to any inertial observer (to conserve causality), while different observers with different relative velocities can disagree on the temporal order of spacelike events, but this is not a problem because spacelike events are not causally connected.

Jumping between the quantum physics folders and the relativity folder is like jumping from one multiple personality disorder to another.

In quantum electrodynamics, spacelike connectivity is a requirement.
 
Space like separations are events always separated in space for every frame.

Time like spearations are events always separated in time for every frame.
 

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