Having a hard time with a derivative

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative dx/dy for the equation x^sin(y) = y^cos(x) at the point (π/4, π/4). Participants explore different methods for differentiation, including implicit differentiation and the use of logarithmic properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help in finding dx/dy at the specified point.
  • Another suggests using logarithmic properties to approach the problem.
  • A participant claims to have calculated dx/dy as -1.07 and asks for verification.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the significance of the values in the brackets, which represent the coordinates for evaluation.
  • One participant presents a different expression for dx/dy, leading to a calculated value of 1.4683 when substituting x and y with π/4.
  • A later reply provides an implicit differentiation result, yielding a complex expression for dy/dx, which is evaluated at the same point but without a numerical approximation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not seem to reach a consensus on the value of dx/dy, as multiple differing calculations and methods are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the differentiation process, as well as varying interpretations of the logarithmic approach.

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Can not seem to find the answer. If x^sin y= y^cos x

Find dx/dy (pi/4 , pi/4).
If someone could help it would be great.
 
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Why don't you use logarithms properties to do it?
 
I've tried and came out with x'=-1.07
Can you check this answer.
 
wat does trhe value iun the bracket signify if i know that i could help
 
the values are (3.14/4, 3.14/4) or (pie/4, pie/4)
 
Rolando, I get a different answer. Did you get:

[tex]\frac{dx}{dy}=\frac{\frac{Cos(x)}{y}-Ln(x)Cos(y)}{\frac{Sin(y)}{x}+Ln(y)Sin(x)}[/tex]

When I plug in x=pi/4 and y=pi/4 I get 1.4683
 
[tex]x^{sin(y)} = y^{cos(x)}[/tex]

is equivalent to

[tex]\frac{ln(x)}{cos(x)} = \frac{ln(y)}{sin(y)}[/tex]

Implicitly differentiating, I got

[tex]\frac{\dy}{\dx} = \frac {sin^{2}(y) \left( \frac{cos(x)}{x} + sin(x)ln(x) \right) } {cos^{2}(x) \left( \frac{sin(y)}{y} - cos(y)ln(y) \right) }[/tex]

which, at (pi/4, pi/4), is

[tex]= \frac{ \frac{4}{\pi} + ln \left( \frac{\pi}{4} \right) }{\frac{4}{\pi} - ln \left( \frac{\pi}{4} \right)}[/tex]

I don't have a calculator to approximate, though.
 

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