Can cells be reduced to physics?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between physics and biology, particularly in the context of cellular functions. Participants explore whether the operations of cellular components are governed by physical laws rather than biological principles, touching on concepts from biophysics and the interplay between these fields.

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  • Some participants propose that all cellular processes occur due to physical laws, suggesting that biology is fundamentally rooted in physics.
  • Others argue that while biology applies physical laws, it also discovers new consequences of these laws, indicating a complex relationship between the two fields.
  • A participant mentions that understanding physics is essential for molecular biology, as it informs how cells exploit chemical interactions.
  • There is a discussion about specific examples, such as the binding of molecules and the role of IgM and IgG in the immune system, illustrating the application of physical principles in biological contexts.
  • Some express uncertainty about the completeness of our understanding of how physical laws govern cellular functions, particularly in complex systems like the brain.
  • A later reply highlights the simplicity of certain cellular interactions, suggesting that the physics of these interactions can be more clearly observed compared to more complex biological systems.

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Participants generally agree that physical laws apply to biological systems, but there remains uncertainty regarding the extent of our understanding of these interactions, particularly in complex biological processes. Multiple competing views exist regarding the relationship between biology and physics.

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Limitations include the potential for differing interpretations of how physical laws manifest in biological systems and the ongoing nature of research in both fields, which may affect the completeness of understanding.

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I admittedly do not know a lot about cells...all I know is that they compose life. Now, a cell is made up of thousands of atoms correct? What I do remember from my last bio class was that there are different parts of cells that do different functions.

My question is, do the parts of cells performing their functions do so because of physical laws, not biological? For example, if one part of a cell is in charge of discreting waste, does it do so because of physical laws?

I don't know if I am being clear - for example, A bullet leaves the barrel of a gun because of physical laws, because of the energy released by the explosion.
 
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Actually biology and physics are mutually intertwined.
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All things happen because of physics. Physics is the building blocks of all science because it includes the study of atoms (and cells are made of atoms so we got the ground floor on that :D)
 
KingNothing said:
My question is, do the parts of cells performing their functions do so because of physical laws, not biological? For example, if one part of a cell is in charge of discreting waste, does it do so because of physical laws?

As has been mentioned, yes. Biology doesn't invoke magic. Physical laws apply to biological systems.
 
Biology is physics of life.

You cannot be a good (molecular) biologist without understanding physics, how that leads to chemistry and how a cell exploits that.

For instance: you can have a molecule that needs to bind to another molecule, but the interaction is not very strong. The way the cell makes up for that is by increasing the valency of the molecule: if it has 5 indentical arms, the interaction will be stronger.

I am talking about IgM here. Later the immune system will start hypermutation to increase the specificity and strength of the interaction, after which the valency of the molecule will go down: you get IgG.
 
I know a lot about cell and cellular biology, and I can safely say that everthing, like cell processes, happen through physics.
 
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That's not to say, of course, that biologists don't discover new consequences of the physical laws. Technically, this is most of what physicists do as well.
 
Ofcourse, (molecular) biologists use physical laws to describe systems.. we apply the knowledge. We use desorption of molecules, x-ray diffraction, nuclear magnetic resonance, measurement of bonding strengths. Biology is not all about watching a bird migrate from one continent to another :wink:
 
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As has been mentioned, yes. Biology doesn't invoke magic. Physical laws apply to biological systems.

Alright, I know it may have sounded like an odd question to a lot of you...I knew of course that cells followed physical laws, but I didn't know whether or not we completely understood it yet. For example, how most of us probably believe that the brain works through physics, however mankind has a lot longer to go before we actually fully understand thoughts and how they work.
 
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KingNothing said:
Alright, I know it may have sounded like an odd question to a lot of you...I knew of course that cells followed physical laws, but I didn't know whether or not we completely understood it yet. For example, how most of us probably believe that the brain works through physics, however mankind has a lot longer to go before we actually fully understand thoughts and how they work.

Cell biology is sort of at the boundary where the interactions are simple enough that the physics can clearly be seen, although I expect any day now to see a paper on the total physics of the little nematode worm Caenorhabditis Elegans, about which one hell of a lot of detail is known.
 

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