A VERY interesting Fermat-like sequence: A_n=4^3^n+2^3^n+1

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The discussion centers around a sequence defined as A_n=4^{3^n}+2^{3^n}+1, which is related to Fermat numbers. Participants explore its properties, computational challenges, and potential implications for number theory, particularly regarding primality and divisibility.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that A_n shares properties with Fermat numbers, such as being pairwise relatively prime and having a primality condition involving modular arithmetic.
  • One participant mentions a discovered property of A_n involving a product of earlier terms in the sequence.
  • There is a suggestion that the primality of A_n can be checked using a modified version of Pépin's test.
  • Concerns are raised about the computational difficulty of calculating A_n due to its rapid growth, which some participants find noteworthy.
  • Questions are posed regarding the potential finite nature of primes in the sequence and its relation to Sierpinski's problem.
  • A participant updates the group on the size of A_n for specific values, indicating that A_n can grow to millions of digits.

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Participants generally agree on the interesting properties of A_n and its computational challenges, but there are open questions regarding the nature of its primes and its relationship to Fermat numbers, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Limitations include the computational feasibility of evaluating A_n for large n and the unresolved questions about the distribution of primes within the sequence.

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Hi,
In 1995, Yannick Saouter produced the study of a family of numbers close to the Fermat numbers: [tex]A_n=4^{3^n}+2^{3^n}+1[/tex] .
(See: http://www.inria.fr/rrrt/rr-2728.html)

Saouter proved that this A_n serie shares many properties with the Fermat numbers:

3.4 A_n numbers are pairwise relatively primes

3.3 [tex]A_n \text{ is prime iff } 5^{(A_n-1)/2} \equiv -1 \pmod{A_n}[/tex]

3.5 [tex]p | A_n ==> p = 1 \pmod{2.3^{n+1}}[/tex]


I've also discovered (and checked with PARI) that the following property is true:
[tex]A_n = 3+2(2^{3^{\scriptstyle n}-1}+1)\prod_{i=0}^{n-1}A_i[/tex]

(I've summarized the properties at: http://tony.reix.free.fr/Mersenne/PropertiesOfFermatLikeTNumbers.pdf)

A VERY interesting thing is that the primality of these numbers can be checked with the Pépin's test, with 5 instead of 3, like Fermat numbers.

Saouter provides the divisors of several of these numbers (n up to 39).
It appears:
- that 10 of them have no divisors known
- only the 3 first Saouter numbes are prime (same as Fermat numbers).

Is someone interested in studying these numbers in more details ?

Is it possible to adapt some Pépin's test code to this kind of numbers ?

Regards,
Tony
 
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Erm interesting, but due to their size it's a bit computationally awkward to calculate isn't it? I mean I'm sure there are quite a few sequences that behave in similar ways but of such great size that they can't be calculated in any short amount of time.

Not criticizing you at all, it's something I couldn't do, just wondering.
 
You're right. These numbers grow awfully fast, much faster than Fermat numbers.
What I think really interesting is that they share several properties with Fermat numbers. Do they also seem to have a finite number of primes ? What about the equivalent of Sierpinski's problem Saouter has studied ? Maybe a proof for Saouter numbers could help for Fermat numbers ?
Tony
 
Hi Zurtex,
I've updated the paper with some proof and with the number of digits of A_n.
For n=16, A_n has ~26 millions of digits. Very big !
Tony
 

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