Detecting volcanic ash or meteor.

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The discussion revolves around identifying a black rock sample that may be volcanic ash or a meteorite. Participants explore various characteristics of the sample and propose methods for testing its origin, considering both geological and extraterrestrial possibilities.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the sample resembles volcanic ash but notes the absence of volcanoes in Northern Ireland.
  • Another participant mentions that meteorites can be valuable, hinting at the potential significance of the sample.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that the sample might be black pumice, which is known to float on water, questioning the participant's location relative to the sea.
  • A participant reports that the sample sinks in water, which challenges the pumice hypothesis, and describes an experiment involving warm water, vinegar, and sugar that causes the sample to erode.
  • One participant humorously warns about the potential risks of handling the sample, suggesting the possibility of releasing a "deadly space virus."
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of such a risk while acknowledging the concern.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about how to test for the presence of a space virus and inquires about the frequency of finding such samples.
  • One participant provides context about the rarity of meteor samples, noting that only about 40,000 meteorites have been cataloged despite the vast number of meteorites in space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the nature of the sample, with no consensus reached on whether it is volcanic ash, a meteorite, or pumice. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore various hypotheses and testing methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not established clear definitions or criteria for distinguishing between volcanic ash, meteorites, and pumice, which may affect the discussion's conclusions. The experimental results reported are preliminary and may not provide definitive answers.

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A friend and I were sitting on this mound of dirt in a deserted work site, and I lifted up a black piece of rock. I know it is not coal, as it does not look like coal, it highly resembles volcanic ash as it is super light, but there's no volcanos here in Northern Ireland, then I thought it looked like a meteor, as it has shiny bits in it (Crystalites I think they're called) which don't really show in black rock, unless it's meteor.

Is there any experiment I can do to find out whether it is any of my suspicions?
 
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interesting question. meterorites are sometimes worth lots of money.
 
stoned said:
interesting question. meterorites are sometimes worth lots of money.
Neato. There was a good bit of it too, but I only collected 3 small samples to test.
 
Might it not just be pumice ? Black pumice is abundant in Iceland, and it floats on water...are you near the sea ?
 
Gokul43201 said:
Might it not just be pumice ? Black pumice is abundant in Iceland, and it floats on water...are you near the sea ?
Already tested it. It sinks alright.

I currently have a very small piece in a shot glass filled with warm water, vinegar and sugar. Over the past hour or so it's definitley began to erode away. When I first added it to just water, bubbles came from the sample. That's probably just air in the holes in the sample.
 
you better stop fooling around with it, what if you release some deadly space virus or something ??
 
stoned said:
you better stop fooling around with it, what if you release some deadly space virus or something ??
Your idea is feasable, but what are the odds?
 
Very interesting...how would you test that-

and how often are samples like that found?
 
Well infinitetime, if you think how long science has been around, and how much of whatever that science has, we only have some 40,000 meteor samples. That's really quite little concidering the amount of meteorites floating around up there.
 

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