Sound waves and location? with my phantom

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of hearing piano keys being pressed on an old, non-functional piano, particularly at night. Participants explore potential methods to identify the tunes being played, including the use of sound recording equipment and video cameras, while also considering alternative explanations for the sounds.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a sound meter or microphone to capture the sounds of the piano keys, proposing that the unique sound of each key could allow for identification based on distance and time of sound travel.
  • Another participant recommends using a video camera that works in low light to visually capture the keys being pressed, implying this might be a more straightforward solution.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of identifying the tune through sound recording, suggesting that it may be impractical.
  • There is a suggestion that the sounds may be caused by animals interacting with the piano, such as a cat or other small creatures, rather than a supernatural phenomenon.
  • One participant proposes an elaborate system of sensors to track key presses, though acknowledges the complexity of such a solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that using a video camera may be a more effective approach than sound recording. However, there is no consensus on the source of the sounds, with some attributing it to animals and others considering the possibility of a supernatural explanation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the practicality of various methods proposed for identifying the sounds, and there are assumptions about the nature of the sounds and the condition of the piano that remain unverified.

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sound waves and location? please help with my phantom!

Hi,

Here is my problem strange as it may be:

I have an old piano which due to it's age and condition, when played, emits no musical notes or musical sound it is more of an attractive antique furniture piece than anything. However, of course if someone sits down to play it you can hear the keys as they are pressed but of course have no idea what tune is playing. This is where things get a little more scary you could say, you may not believe in ghosts but I do, so even if you don't believe in ghosts please do help me if you can. Basically at night, not every night but at night, in total darkness I have heard, at least once a month if not more, the keys of the piano as if someone is playing it, it is not extremely long but i would say long enough for a short tune. This has been going on for years, however this is besides the point ... I want to know or at least get a good idea of what tune it being played ... I was thinking that if I had a sound meter or perhaps a microphone, set in a fixed location, to capture these key sounds I may be able to determine which keys were being pressed. For instance I could set up a sound meter or microphone, not sure what equipment I could use or would be best? at a fixed location, say on to the far right of the keyboard and then record the sounds made by striking each individual note, I would assume if the equipment was good enough, each key would make a unique sound or the sound would have its unique power value? Also, I know the power of sound decreases with distance and thus knowing this I would think a person could calculate which key was being struck since the meter or microphone is at a fixed location as well as the keys? The location may not be exact or always right but i would think you could work out probabilities? Also, since each keys is at different distance from the meter or recorder I would think that if a person could capture how long it took the sound to travel from source to recorder, you could then identify which key was struck since the further away keys would take longer than closer ones etc. , although we are talking mili seconds I guess but i would think with computers such calcuations could be made? So, basically I want to know if this could be done and what method(s) could be used and equipment etc.?

Thanks for any help you can provide, Michele
 
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Hahaha wait ok :smile:

Get a video camera that will work in low light and focus it on the keys. You can then play back the tape and wright down the notes...good luck. :smile:

Im guessing this will be moved.
 
I agree with that advice. Your idea of recording the sound and trying to figure the distance from that is probably just about impossible in practise.

The best reason to use a video tape is that you're almost certainly going to find the keys are being manipulated by some kind of pesky animal: your cat, a rat, a squirrel, a possum, etc.
 
Get an audio recorder and just record the tune, then hand it to a musician.
 
whozum said:
Get an audio recorder and just record the tune, then hand it to a musician.
She said the piano doesn't sound anymore. All she can hear is the thump of the dead keys being pressed. She wants to know what tune is trying to be played, if any. If she could hear it, she could just hum it to people till she found one who knew what it was.
 
Whozum, there is no tune!

I'll echo everyone else here; you're not going to solve this with a microphone. The video camera seems to be the best solution here. Alternatively, with some imagination I'm sure you could come up with an elaborate system of sensors on all the hammers, and use some data acquisition technique to obtain time values for when each key was pressed. Wouldn't be easy though...
 
Oh I'm sorry, I thought the piano was not workin but for some reason she still heard music at night. I've been watching too many horror movies I guess.
 
zoobyshoe said:
you're almost certainly going to find the keys are being manipulated by some kind of pesky animal: your cat, a rat, a squirrel, a possum, etc.
If you have a cat, that definitely is the most likely source. Any cat that I've had avoided the keyboard because it scared the hell out of them the first time they jumped up and it made a noise. Your keyboard, being silent, wouldn't intimidate one and might even be fun for it because of the springiness. Once you identify the cause, and if you want to stop it, I would recommend keeping the lid closed at night.
 

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