How does the center of mass affect collisions in theoretical mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of center of mass in the context of collisions in theoretical mechanics, specifically focusing on the momentum of two particles, one at rest and the other in motion, as observed from different reference frames.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the calculation of velocities and momenta of particles relative to the center of mass. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of momentum in different reference frames and the implications of the center of mass on these calculations.

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Some participants have successfully computed the velocities and momenta as suggested, although there is an indication of lingering uncertainty about the intuitive understanding of the results. The discussion includes an emphasis on the additive nature of momentum and how it relates to the center of mass.

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There is mention of an observer in a laboratory setting versus an observer at the center of mass, highlighting the differences in perspective and the assumptions made in the calculations. The original poster expresses confusion about specific equations related to momentum.

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There's something in my theoretical mechanics handbook that i don't quite understand. Say you have an observer in a labratory watching 2 particles, one of which is in a state of rest (m_2) and the other one (m1) is moving towards it.

the placevector of the center of mass of the system is
[tex]R = \frac{m_{1}.R_{10}+m_{2}.R_{20}}{m_{1}+m_{2}} $[/tex]
which moves with a speed
[tex]V = \frac{m_{1}.v_{10}}{m_{1}+m_{2}} = \frac{p_{10}}{m_{1}+m_{2}}$[/tex]
v_10 and R_10 and R_20 seen by the labratory observer, say you have an observer at the centre of mass of the system, he observes the particles with speeds v_1 and v_2

for the observer at the centre of mass before the particles collide the impules p_1 and p_2 are the same but in oppsing directions. Now my handbook states that
[tex]p_{1}=p{2} = m_{2}.V = \frac{m_{2}.p_{10}}{m{1}+m{2}}[/tex]
which i don't fully understand
 
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1.Compute the velocities of the particles relative to C.M.
2. Then figure out their momenta.
 
i worked it out like you said and i was able to get the answer, thanks a lot, intuitivly the answer just felt a bit wrong.
 
allistair said:
i worked it out like you said and i was able to get the answer, thanks a lot, intuitivly the answer just felt a bit wrong.
Well, then your next task is to improve your intuition as follows:

The total momentum of a system is MV, where M is the total mass, and V is a velocity determined so that MV equals the sum of the constituent particles' momenta.

That is, we regard momentum as an additive quantity, and the C.M velocity is just the average velocity with masses as weights.

But, if your system consists of two particles, 1 and 2, and we choose to regard it in the system where the C.M is at rest, that is V=0; then we must have:
[tex]0=p_{1}+p_{2}[/tex] since the systems total momentum (i.e, 0) must equal the sum of the constituent particles' momenta.

all right?
 

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