What are the limitations of Bohr's atomic model in explaining electron travel?

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The discussion focuses on the limitations of Bohr's atomic model in explaining electron behavior, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore questions related to electron energy levels, radiation, and the nature of electron transitions between orbits.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why an electron, as a particle in orbit, does not radiate energy continuously and crash into the nucleus, as classical mechanics would suggest.
  • Others assert that the lowest energy level of an electron is not zero, referencing the Schrödinger equation.
  • There is uncertainty expressed about the nature of energy loss during electron transitions, with some suggesting that photon emission occurs during state changes rather than energy loss while in transit.
  • One participant argues that the Bohr model is oversimplified and incorrect, highlighting its reliance on ad hoc constraints to avoid continuous radiation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the questions raised indicate the Bohr model's incompleteness and its eventual supersession by quantum mechanics.

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Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views regarding the validity and limitations of the Bohr model remain, with some defending its historical significance while others critique its accuracy.

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Limitations of the discussion include the reliance on classical mechanics to frame questions about electron behavior, as well as the incomplete understanding of energy transitions in the context of quantum mechanics.

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Here are a few questions about quantum mechanics (Bohr’s atomic model).
1. An electron is a particle revolving around the nucleus. So it should radiate energy (by classical mechanics). But if this energy comes from the orbital, it must finally become 0 and the electron must crash into the nucleus. Why does this not happen?
2. Why does the energy in the orbits remain constant?
3. During quantum jumping or an electron traveling between any 2 orbits, the electron must lose energy when it is between them in the atomic vacuum. Does this really happen?
 
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1. The lowest energy level of an electron around an atom is not zero (solution of Schrödinger equation).

2. It doesn't.

3. Don't know what you mean.
 
Kruger said:
3. Don't know what you mean.

Photon emission in energy state change maybe? But then it doesn't really lose the energy "while in anywhere" though.
 
inha said:
Photon emission in energy state change maybe? But then it doesn't really lose the energy "while in anywhere" though.

When an electron drops from a higher energy state to a lower energy one, it does indeed emit a photon (or possibly excite another electron). As for your first two questions, they're resolved by quantum mechanics. The Bohr model (which you described) is not a correct view of the atom. There are probably a ton of posts on this already, so I suggest a search.
 
Your basic difficulty is that you are trying to understand the atom on the basis of the Bohr model, which is oversimplified and essentially wrong.
1. This was Bohr's motivation for his model. He postulated (out of his hat) the constraint mvr=nhbar for angular momentum in a circular orbit.
This forbad continuous radiation that would destroy hydrogen in 10^-10 sec.
2. This just follows from Bohr's ad hoc constraint.
3. Questions like this demonstrate that the Bohr model is incomplete (at best),
and had to be supeerceded by QM.
 

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