What is the optimal angle for shooting a cannon?

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The discussion revolves around determining the optimal angle for shooting a cannon, considering factors such as air resistance and various physical properties of the cannonball. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of projectile motion, including the influence of initial conditions and environmental factors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests an optimal angle of ~36.5 degrees, factoring in air resistance.
  • Another participant proposes a preference for a 30-degree angle, arguing it is commonly used in practice.
  • Concerns are raised about the dependency of the optimal angle on various factors, including air resistance, weight of the cannonball, and initial conditions.
  • Some participants emphasize that the optimal angle is not fixed and varies with parameters such as initial ball velocity, mass, and cross-sectional area for drag calculations.
  • Discussion includes the notion that at high muzzle velocities, the angle could even approach zero degrees for orbital trajectories.
  • Participants highlight the need for specific initial conditions and resisting force functions to arrive at a more accurate determination of the optimal angle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the optimal angle, with no consensus reached. Some argue for specific angles based on practical experience, while others contend that the angle is highly variable and context-dependent.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for precise definitions of initial conditions, variations in air density with altitude, and the coefficient of drag as a function of velocity, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I was trying to figure out the best angle to shoot a cannon, with air resistance in the differential equation. I came up with ~36.5 degrees, is that right?
 
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I would bend a little more towards 30 degrees...
 
wanna explain how u got that one. It shouldn't depend on anything except gravity mabye and the air resistance possibly. (assuming we are talking about only 1 type of cannon ball)
 
TheLaughingMan said:
wanna explain how u got that one. It shouldn't depend on anything except gravity mabye and the air resistance possibly. (assuming we are talking about only 1 type of cannon ball)

Well of course you would have to consider the amount of air resistance, but then of course there's the weight of the cannon ball (those are pretty heavy). Most cannons can fire cannon balls pretty far, but to get it to fly the farthest at 45 degrees would take a pretty strong shot. At 36.5 it still would take a little more power than a regular cannon to shoot it farther than 30. I also aimed for 30 because that's the angle that most cannons are aimed at anyway.
 
Im talking about an idealized situation where the cannon balls are the same and the air is exactly the same.

Anyone else have an opinion?
 
How did you arrive at your answer?
 
TheLaughingMan said:
I was trying to figure out the best angle to shoot a cannon, with air resistance in the differential equation. I came up with ~36.5 degrees, is that right?
What differential equation? And what value are you using for the air resistance? Don't you think we would need to know that?
 
For realtively low muzzle velocity, it matters whether the distance is measured at the same elevation as the muzzle. For relatively high muzzle velocity, the radius of the planet you are on becomes an issue. With a high enough muzzle velocity, you could put a projectile in orbit using an angle of zero degrees.
 
The angle is dependent on a number of variables including initial ball velocity, mass of ball and size of ball (cross sectional area for drag calculation). If you wanted to get more accurate, the variation of air density with altitude and variation of coefficient of drag as a function of velocity would need to be added.

There is no single value for the angle which is optimal.
 
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TheLaughingMan said:
I was trying to figure out the best angle to shoot a cannon, with air resistance in the differential equation. I came up with ~36.5 degrees, is that right?

From all these responses it should be clear that you need to specify your initial conditions, and specify the resisting force function. It simplifies things if you can assume the initial speed and height of the projectile are the same in all cases. If you get down to the level of detail of accounting for differences in those initial conditions, you hve more work to do.
 
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Q_Goest said:
The angle is dependent on a number of variables including initial ball velocity, mass of ball and size of ball (cross sectional area for drag calculation). If you wanted to get more accurate, the variation of air density with altitude and variation of coefficient of drag as a function of velocity would need to be added.

There is no single value for the angle which is optimal.

The altitude is a factor - especially for very high flights. Angles of 60 degrees can be used to take advantage of the low air resistance at high altitudes.
 

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