Earth's Atmosphere: Temperature, Pressure & Density FAQs

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The discussion revolves around the temperature, pressure, and density of Earth's atmosphere as altitude changes, as well as the phenomenon of the ozone hole and its relation to sunlight and atmospheric chemistry. Participants explore various aspects of atmospheric science, including specific temperature ranges in different atmospheric layers and the conditions leading to the formation of the ozone hole.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks graphs illustrating how temperature, density, and pressure of the atmosphere change with altitude, particularly asking about the thermosphere's temperature at night.
  • Another participant provides a link to a graph and speculates that temperature variations at high altitudes may be less than those at the surface due to reduced influence from air masses and differential heating.
  • A third participant agrees that the provided graph is helpful but notes that the thermosphere can reach temperatures above 1500°C during the day and around 500°C at night, while density decreases with altitude.
  • One participant inquires about the ozone hole's location at the poles, suggesting a connection to Earth's electromagnetic field and its protective role against cosmic rays.
  • Another participant explains that ozone is produced by ultraviolet light and is depleted in polar regions during winter due to the absence of sunlight, leading to a depletion of ozone without production.
  • A subsequent participant questions why the ozone hole appears only in the north pole and suggests that similar conditions should exist in the south pole during its winter.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of creating ozone from rust using advanced technology and states that ozone is important for cooling the planet.
  • A later reply questions the connection between ferrous oxide and ozone, as well as the extent to which ozone cools the planet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the temperature and density of the atmosphere, the mechanisms behind the ozone hole, and the implications of ozone for planetary cooling. No consensus is reached on several points, particularly regarding the conditions leading to the ozone hole and the specifics of atmospheric temperature variations.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about atmospheric layers and chemical processes. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the dynamics of ozone production and depletion, as well as the relationship between temperature and altitude.

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I am searching for graphs to answer te following questions but I cannot find it on the internet. What is the temperature, density ,and pressure of the atmosphere as altitude changes? What is the temperature of the thermosphere at night?
 
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http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/atmosphere/layers.gif

That sort of graph comes up quite frequently in textbooks I've seen. I hope it answers your questions.
I'm not at all sure about daily variations in temperature at high altitude, but I would imagine that they would be less varied than those on the suface, being that they are not influenced by air masses, differential heating of land and sea etc. I may be wrong however.
 
That's an excellent graph to help with the first question but for the second the x-axis isn't big enough for the thermosphere, which gets hotter than 1500-o C in the daytime but still 500-o C at night. The density is always decreasing as you go higher unlike the confusing temps that change so therefore when you go to the thermosphere/ionosphere there's so few particles that they don't have to share much and they all get first dibs on a buffet of solar energy giving them high temps, but since there aren't many they don't transfer much heat and so you would be very cold..

www.ess.washington.edu/Space/ESS205/upperatmweb.pdf

http://www.ace.mmu.ac.uk/eae/Atmosphere/Older/Temperature.html
 
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The hole of ozone

I would like to ask why the ozone hole is in the pole.
Is it due to the electromagnetic field "movements" of the earth?
Because is due to this electromegnetic field that the atmosphere protect us from the cosmic rays but this protection is rather small in the poles (is this true?).

Thanks in advance: NSCerqueira
 
ozon is produced by Ultra violet light of the sun but it's also dissociated by normal light or due to chemical reactions. This gives a balanced reaction

Now in wintertime the pole area is dark, no direct sunlight and consequently, getting absolutely no utraviolet light, since that's all absorbed in the atmosphere or on the surface. Consequently the production of ozone stops completely. The decompostion of ozone continues, business as usual, since the chemicals are still there and some light reflected from the Earth will still pass along the polar area.

So what's happening to a mill, with no production and a lot of trade? Stock depletes in no time. That's why there are holes in the ozone layer. No production, plenty of trade.

But it's also natural.
 
Thanks for the reply. But the ozone hole only appears in the north pole isn't? But during the summer in the north hemisphere, the south pole doesn't have any sun light like in the winter in the north pole. Therefore the ozone hole should also appear in that region ?
 
Logical thinking gets rewarded. :approve:

Here is your http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/tovsto/archive/anim/970901-971018.sp.gif
 
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It might be possible to create ozone from rust (ferric oxide) with more advanced technology, similar to electrolysis. Ozone is important because it cools the planet.
 
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Uhm... did I miss something? Where does the ferrous oxide come in?

Ozone cools the planet? To what extent? How?
 

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