Got the theorem, having trouble with the proof

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The discussion revolves around proving a theorem related to smooth vector fields on manifolds, specifically addressing the existence of a coordinate neighborhood where a given vector field aligns with a tangent space basis vector. The scope includes theoretical aspects of differential geometry and the application of existence theorems in differential equations.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in completing the proof of the theorem regarding the alignment of a smooth vector field with a tangent space basis vector.
  • Another participant suggests that if it cannot be shown that the vector field can be oriented to match the tangent space basis, it would imply a contradiction regarding the smoothness of the vector field at that point.
  • Some participants note that the theorem requires consideration of nearby points, hinting at the relevance of existence and uniqueness theorems for ordinary differential equations.
  • A participant references a book that provides a necessary and sufficient condition for two linearly independent vector fields to form a coordinate basis, mentioning the importance of the Lie bracket vanishing.
  • One participant indicates they have resolved their issues with the proof and submitted a document for review.

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Participants express varying perspectives on the proof's requirements and the implications of the theorem, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the proof's completion.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of vector fields and their smoothness, as well as the conditions under which coordinate systems can be established, which remain unresolved.

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Got the theorem, having trouble with the proof... [SOLVED]

Hi all. OK, so I am trying to prove a theorem that I have for some time been just using as-is. Long story short, it occurred to me that I needed to prove it. So, I have almost done it, but am stuck near the end. The theorem is:

Suppose [itex]\mathcal{X}[/itex] is a smooth vector field on a manifold [itex]\mathcal{M}[/itex]. Assuming that [itex]\mathcal{X}_p\neq0[/itex] at a point [itex]p\in\mathcal{M}[/itex], then there exists a coordinate neighborhood [itex]\left(\mathcal{W};w^i\right)[/itex] about [itex]p[/itex] such that
[tex] \left.\mathcal{X}\right\vert_\mathcal{W}=\dfrac{\partial}{\partial w^1}[/tex]

Proof: ?

Now, it's not that I have nothing for the proof, it's just that I'm stuck. As well, since there is more than one way to skin a cat, I figured it would be better to leave the proof empty, rather than potentially confuse anyone with the technique I have employed thus far.

That said, a big thanks in advance for all the help!
 
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lets see if it can be contradicted.

what the proof asks, is whether there we can setup a coordinate system around the point [itex]\displaystyle p[/itex] s.t. the vector [itex]\displaystyle X_p[/itex] points in the same direction as one of our tangent space basis vectors [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial w}[/tex]

Well, let's assume that we cannot orient our coordinate system s.t. [tex]X_p = \frac{\partial}{\partial w}[/tex]. Then this says that either [itex]X_p = 0[/itex] (which you have already told us is not allowed) or [itex]X_p[/itex] does not lie in the tangent space [tex]M_p[/tex].

If it does not lie in the tangent space, then [tex]X[/tex] is not a smooth vector field at the point [tex]p[/tex], a contradiction.
 
he want's it at every point nearby. not just one, so it is probably the existence theorem for differential equations i guess.
 
mathwonk said:
he want's it at every point nearby. not just one, so it is probably the existence theorem for differential equations i guess.


Yeah, I have had to invoke the existence and uniqueness of solutions of ODE's for this one so far...
 
I have the proof in a book of mine, it has as a necessary and sufficient condition for 2 linearally independent vector fields to be a coordinate basis, on a 2 dimensional manifold, that the Lie bracket vanishes (i.e. they commute). Can't be bothered to write out the proof but you can find it in the section titled "when is a basis a coordinate basis?" in chapter 2 of "Geometrical Methods for Mathematical Physics"-B. Schutz. The proof obviously can be extended to higher dimensions.
 
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OK, I think I got it. The indexing terms were giving me the businsess, but it seems to be all good now. Submitted for your approval:

<proof.pdf>
 

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