Stability of Binary System with Anti-Particle Circulation in Quantum Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the stability of a binary system involving an electron and a positron, particularly the concept of positronium and its properties within quantum physics. Participants explore the theoretical implications of particle interactions, stability, and the application of quantum mechanics to this system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of an electron circulating a positron without annihilation, suggesting a potential for stability in such a system.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of positronium, noting that it is a short-lived state due to quantum field interactions.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the mechanisms behind the instability of positronium, asking for a simpler explanation related to quantum electrodynamics (QED).
  • Discussion includes the overlap of wave functions of the electron and positron, which leads to their eventual annihilation and the production of photons.
  • One participant proposes using the Schrödinger equation for hydrogen to analyze the positron-electron system, questioning whether this approach is too simplistic.
  • Another participant responds that while simple quantum mechanics can be used to obtain wave functions, the reduced mass of the particles must be considered, and that quantum field theory is necessary for calculating annihilation rates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of the electron-positron system, with some acknowledging the existence of positronium while others question the adequacy of classical quantum mechanics to fully describe the system. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interactions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of stability and the assumptions made in applying quantum mechanics to the positron-electron system. The discussion also highlights the need for quantum field theory to address certain calculations, which may not be fully explored in the context of the Schrödinger equation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, quantum field theory, and particle physics, particularly in relation to particle interactions and stability concepts.

Will_C
Hi,
I have a question about anti-particle.
In the modern physics, we "know" (I don't think we really know it) the reason, why the shell electron did not collapse into its ion core, because of quantum theory.
But is it possible a electron "circulate" a positron without annihilation. Is there any possibility for such particle being stable?
Thx.
Will.
 
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Thx James,
Thank you for your suggestion and guiding. According to the website: "quantum field interactions between the positron and electron cause positronium to be unstable."
How does it work? Is there any simple concept to explaine this (I have not get start on QEM yet)?

Will.
 
A small part of the wave functions of the electron and positron overlap.
This leads to eventual annihilation of the pair, producing two, and more rarely three, photons.
 
Thx Meir!
When I pick up a textbook (modern physics), and look for the Schrödinger’s equation for Hydrogen atom. The equation of that is regardless anything about hydrogen (such as mass of hydrogen) except the charge. Thus, what I want is to replace the hydrogen with a positron and the Schrödinger’s equation doesn't any changes.
SO, is it too simple to counter with atom by QM?

Will.
 
You can use simple QM to get the WF, but you have to take into account the reduced mass of the particles. Just put in m/2.
Calculation of the annihilation rate needs QFT to convert the e-positron pair into photons.
 

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