What is the Identity Property of Determinants and its Relation to Linearity?

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The discussion revolves around the identity property of determinants and its relation to linearity. Participants explore the implications of determinant properties in the context of matrix addition and linear combinations, raising questions about the validity of certain equations presented in a textbook.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding a specific equation involving determinants, questioning how two matrices can be equal when their determinants are presented in a certain way.
  • Another participant clarifies that the last determinant in the equation is zero due to two equal rows, suggesting that the equality can be understood by expanding the determinant along the last row.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the property of determinants should be evident without expanding, indicating that the relationship between the matrices is not straightforward.
  • One participant attempts to illustrate a related concept using a vector cross product example, but acknowledges that the general assumption about determinants and matrix addition is incorrect.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial confusion has been resolved, suggesting that the participant now understands how to express the determinant correctly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the determinant properties, with some asserting the validity of the equations while others challenge their correctness. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the identity property in the context presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the properties of determinants, particularly regarding the conditions under which certain equations hold true. The discussion highlights the complexity of applying linearity to determinants without resolving all mathematical steps.

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Hi all,

I don't understand one thing about linearity of determinants. In the book I have:

[tex] \det \left( \begin{array}{ccc} . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ \mbox{<i>} \\ . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ \mbox{[j]} \end{array} \right) = \det \left( \begin{array}{ccc} . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ \mbox{<i>} \\ . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ \mbox{[j+i]} \end{array} \right) <br /> </i></i>[/tex]

And the explanation is:

[tex] \det \left( \begin{array}{ccc} . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ \mbox{<i>} \\ . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ \mbox{[j+i]} \end{array} \right) = \det \left( \begin{array}{ccc} . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ \mbox{<i>} \\ . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ \mbox{[j]} \end{array} \right) + \det \left( \begin{array}{ccc} . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ \mbox{<i>} \\ . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ . & . & . \\ \mbox{<i>} \end{array} \right)<br /> </i></i></i></i>[/tex]

But I can't see how these two matrixes (I mean now left and right side of the bottom equation) can be identical, because when I sum the two matrixes on the right, I won't get the matrix on the left...

Thank you for the explanation.
 
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You shouldn't add the bottom right matrices, since they are determinants. The last determinant is zero because two rows are equal.
To see why the equality is true, expand the first along the last row.
 
Galileo said:
You shouldn't add the bottom right matrices, since they are determinants. The last determinant is zero because two rows are equal.
To see why the equality is true, expand the first along the last row.

This property of determinant is before expaning along rows/columns, so I think it should be possible to see it even simplier.

I know they are determinants, but I suppose that if

A = B + C
then det(A) = det(B) + det(C)
 
Here's a special case that might help:

[tex]\vec A\times (\vec B +\vec A) = \vec A\times\vec B +\vec A\times \vec A= \vec A\times\vec B[/tex]

twoflower said:
I know they are determinants, but I suppose that if

A = B + C
then det(A) = det(B) + det(C)

This is generally false.
Let [tex]B=\left(\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 0 \\ 0 &0 \end{array} \right)[/tex] and [tex]C=\left(\begin{array}{cc} 0& 0 \\ 0 &1 \end{array} \right)[/tex]. These have zero determinant... so the sum of the determinants is zero. However, the matrix sum has determinant 1.
 
Thank you, I think I have it. I just have to write the expression for the determinant of the matrix on the left side and I can split it into two determinants equal to the ones on the right side. Thanks.
 

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