Find the Condition for Limit of f(x) Not Equal to L | Given \epsilon > 0

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the limit of a function f(x) as x approaches a does not equal a specified real number L. The context involves understanding the formal definition of limits in calculus.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the formal definition of limits, particularly focusing on the implications of the limit not equaling L. Some question the concept of nonremovable singularities and how they relate to the limit.

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The discussion is active, with participants clarifying the differences between the conditions for limits equaling L and not equaling L. There is an exchange of ideas regarding the implications of these definitions, and some participants express understanding of the concepts being discussed.

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There is a focus on the formal definitions involving epsilon and delta, and how these relate to the behavior of the function near the point of interest. The conversation reflects an exploration of the nuances in limit definitions without reaching a consensus.

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Let [itex]f: \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/itex] be given. Let [itex]L[/itex] be a real number. State the condition for saying that as [itex]x[/itex] tends to [itex]a[/itex], the limit of [itex]f(x)[/itex] is not [itex]L[/itex]. The statement ought to begin with "Given there exists [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex]".

Best guess: [itex]\lim_{x \rightarrow a}f(x) \neq L[/itex] means, given there exists [itex]\epsilon > 0[/itex] there exists [itex]\delta > 0[/itex] such that [itex]|x-a|<\delta \Rightarrow |f(x) - L| > \epsilon[/itex]. I'm really not sure about this, however.
 
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Nonremovable singularity?
 
Pardon me?
 
First, let's go over the rule for the limit:

Given [itex]\epsilon>0[/itex], there exists a [itex]\delta>0[/itex] such that for all x satisfying:

[tex]|x-a|<\delta[/tex]

we have:

[tex]|f-L|<\epsilon[/tex]


Now, what happens if L is not the limit?


Then there should exists an [itex]\epsilon>0[/itex] such that for some [itex]\delta>0[/itex] and all x satisfying:


[tex]|x-a|<\delta[/tex]

we have:

[tex]|f-L|>\epsilon[/tex]

Make sure you understand these two differences. If L is the limit, by choosing [itex]\delta[/itex] small enough I can make the difference between L and f as small as I want.

If L is not the limit, then no matter how small I make [itex]\delta[/itex], I can always find an [itex]\epsilon[/itex] such that the difference between f and L will be larger.
 
So I was correct? Great, thanks for your help saltydog.
 

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