LSZ Representation: A Simple Explanation

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The discussion centers around the LSZ representation in quantum field theory, exploring its mathematical foundations and implications. Participants seek to clarify the concept and its relationship to scattering theory, while addressing the complexities involved in understanding the formalism.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the possibility of a simple explanation for the LSZ representation, suggesting that heavy mathematics is necessary for a proper understanding.
  • One participant mentions Haag's theorem, indicating that interactive quantum field theory is not well-defined and has implications for the vacuum state condition.
  • Another participant provides an overview of the LSZ formalism, explaining that it seeks "asymptotically localized" solutions to define incoming particles for interactions.
  • A participant raises questions about the spectrum, specifically why masses correspond to the poles of the propagator and the relationship between spin and degrees of freedom of the propagator.
  • There is a discussion on the correspondence between the poles of the propagator in free field theory and the full interacting theory, with one participant attempting to clarify this relationship.
  • Another participant discusses the connection between poles, bound states, and resonances in scattering theory, mentioning the challenges posed by unbounded operators and the use of wave packets.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the simplicity of the LSZ representation, with some asserting that it cannot be easily explained while others attempt to provide insights. Multiple competing views on the interpretation and implications of the LSZ formalism remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various texts, including Bogolubov's work and Weinberg's volumes, indicating a reliance on established literature for deeper understanding. The discussion highlights the complexity of the mathematical framework and the unresolved nature of certain concepts within the LSZ representation.

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I am looking for simple explanation for the idea of LSZ representation in quantum fields theory.
thanks in advance :smile:
 
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I don't know what you mean by "representation",but I'm sure there's no simple explanation of this issue.Heavy mathematics is needed.

I infer you to chapters 13 & 14 from Bogolubov's book [1] for a serious treatment.

Daniel.

[1]N.N.Bogolubov et al.,"Introduction to Axiomatic Quantum Field Theory",Benjamin/Cummings,1975.
 
dextercioby said:
I don't know what you mean by "representation",but I'm sure there's no simple explanation of this issue.Heavy mathematics is needed.

I infer you to chapters 13 & 14 from Bogolubov's book [1] for a serious treatment.

Daniel.

[1]N.N.Bogolubov et al.,"Introduction to Axiomatic Quantum Field Theory",Benjamin/Cummings,1975.

Let me try this coarse overview. Corrections always welcome.

First of all interactive quantum field theory is not well-defined. It has as many Hilbert spaces as there are points on a line, which is not physically meaningful. This is Haag's theorem. This problem shows up as a shaky vacuum state condition for interactive QFT; field states that should be over and gone continue to affect the vacuum. The LSZ formalism intends to work around this by going into the remote past and seeking "asymptotically localized" solutions of the theory. These will than be used as the incoming particles to the intreractions defined, e.g., by Feynman diagrams. As Daniel said, the math of doing this is very non-trivial, and Bogoliubov's book is a good intro to it. See also R. Haag, Local Quantum Physics, p. 81 ff.
 
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Finding the spectrum.

selfAdjoint said:
Let me try this coarse overview. Corrections always welcome.

First of all interactive quantum field theory is not well-defined. It has as many Hilbert spaces as there are points on a line, which is not physically meaningful. This is Haag's theorem. This problem shows up as a shaky vacuum state condition for interactive QFT; field states that should be over and gone continue to affect the vacuum. The LSZ formalism intends to work around this by going into the remote past and seeking "asymptotically localized" solutions of the theory. These will than be used as the incoming particles to the intreractions defined, e.g., by Feynman diagrams. As Daniel said, the math of doing this is very non-trivial, and Bogoliubov's book is a good intro to it. See also R. Haag, Local Quantum Physics, p. 81 ff.

This is the reduction formalism. I am more interested in the spectrum- why the masses are the poles of the propagator, and why the spin is the number of degrees of freedom of the propagator?
I more or less understand the technique, using Poincare eigenstates, but sometimes (many times ) I can follow the math but miss the basic ideas.
 
Itzhak the cat said:
This is the reduction formalism. I am more interested in the spectrum- why the masses are the poles of the propagator

The masses are the poles of the propagators because in free field theory, this is the case. We somehow want to consider our particles "free" in the far past and future. Of course they aren't, really, and there are serious problems in doing so. But even if interacting field theory is not free field theory, "it plays free field theory on TV, early in the morning, and late in the evening" :smile: And so you try to identify what aspects of the interacting theory mimick a free field theory: the pole of the propagator (the full, interacting one) looks a lot like the pole of a free field theory propagator ; so that pole is then identified as the mass. At least that's how I understand this correspondence.

cheers,
Patrick.
 
The relationship between poles and bound states and resonances goes back to basic scattering theory, as in the Lippman Schwinger Eq.. In fact, scattering theory is usually expressed with Green's Function based solutions. (For all practical purposes, the LSZ formalism is like a covariant form of scattering theory. Horrible things that can happen to make the asymptotic limits of the S-Matrix suspect are all over the place -- unbounded operators, and stuff like that. This is great grist for those that work in formal field theory. Then there are the highly practical ones, who can show that the use of wave packets rather than plane waves cures many evils.)

Suppose that |W> = |W0> + (1/(E-H0))*V*|W>, where H0 is the unperturbed hamiltonian, V is the interaction so, that H = H0 + V. |W0> is an eigenstate of H0. This eq. is not much help with bound states, so we use a formal solution,

|W> = (1 - (1/((E-H))*V) |W0>. Thus, there are poles at the bound states, E<0, of H, and a branch point at E = 0 (How's that again?) Weinberg's Vol 1 does LSZ, an older book by Goldberger and Watson, Scattering Theory does wave packets, Lippman Schwinger and formal scattering theory, and poles and branch cuts (dispersion relations), and you name it -- it's a superb book.) (Greens functions are sometimes called resolvants by mathematicians. There's a huge literature on this subject usually under the general field of Functional Analysis.
Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 

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