What are factors that effect static friction?

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The discussion revolves around the factors that affect static friction, exploring both theoretical and practical considerations. Participants examine the role of mass, surface area, and material properties, while also addressing misconceptions and complexities in real-world scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that mass affects static friction, while surface area does not, and seeks to identify other influencing factors.
  • Another participant distinguishes between ideal and real-world scenarios, explaining that in an ideal context, static friction is determined by the coefficient of friction and the normal force.
  • A participant notes that the independence of surface area from static friction is contingent upon the assumption of perfectly rigid bodies.
  • There is a mention of complexities introduced when forces are applied at angles or when objects are on slopes.
  • Static friction is described as being equal to the horizontal applied force up to a maximum limit defined by the coefficient of friction and normal force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors influencing static friction, particularly regarding the role of surface area and the conditions under which it may or may not apply. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the rigidity of bodies and the conditions of the surfaces in contact may affect the applicability of the claims made. The discussion does not resolve the complexities introduced by angled forces or slopes.

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What are factors that effect static friction?

I know that mass has an effect and the surface area has no effect, but what are others that have an effect on static friction and that you would think have an effect even though they dont?
 
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FIrst let's separate the ideal world from the real world.

In an ideal world, fricitonal forces are due to 2 things, the coefficient of friction, "mu" and the normal force. FOr objects on flat surface, the normal force is equal in magnitude to the weight.
The "mu" depends on the materials of the two surfaces that are in contact.

With static friction, as opposed to kinetic friction, "mu" times normal force tells you the maximum possible force. Static friciton only shows up if some other force tries to push an object. IF nothing is pushing it, then no static friciton is necessary. Therefore static friciton is equal to the horizontal applied force on the object, up to that certain maximum limit.

It gets more complicated if forces are applied at angles, or if the object is on a slope.
 
It is only independent of area if perfectly rigid bodies are assumed.
 
Originally posted by marshall4
What are factors that effect static friction?

I know that mass has an effect and the surface area has no effect, but what are others that have an effect on static friction and that
you would think have an effect even though they dont?

Static friction, also known as striction. See the physics of a dynamic brake.
 

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