Where Does Fire Go? | Science & Math Explained

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The discussion revolves around the nature of fire, specifically what happens to it when it is extinguished, as well as the differences between burning and smoldering. Participants explore the chemical reactions involved in combustion and the physical properties of flames and embers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether fire evaporates or simply disappears when extinguished, indicating a curiosity about the nature of fire.
  • Another participant suggests that fire can be understood as a reaction involving the burning of candle wax, proposing that it turns into smoke when extinguished.
  • A different viewpoint describes fire as iridescent chemical vapors that cease to glow when the temperature drops, asserting that extinguishing the flame stops the production of these vapors.
  • Several participants raise questions about the distinction between burning and smoldering, noting that smoldering may not produce flames but still involves a chemical reaction that requires oxygen.
  • One participant proposes that smoldering is a slower reaction that could potentially ignite if oxygen is introduced, while another clarifies that embers can glow without combustion occurring.
  • There is a discussion about the physical properties of flames and embers, with one participant stating that glowing gases are flames and solid carbon materials are embers, emphasizing the role of heat in producing glow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of fire and smoldering, with no clear consensus reached on the definitions or processes involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise distinctions and mechanisms at play.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' claims depend on specific definitions of combustion and smoldering, and there are unresolved questions about the role of oxygen in these processes. The discussion includes speculative elements about testing ideas related to smoldering.

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when u have a fire on a candle, and u blow the fire out, where does it go? does it evaporate into thin air? or does it just disappear? can fire really evaporate? i been wondering about this question ever since my math/science teacher brought it up
 
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The fire itself is the reaction taking place when the wax of a candle burns up the wick. I guess you could say the fire turned into smoke.
 
"Fire" is simply iridescent chemical vapors. As long as the temperature is sufficiently high the vapors will glow, as soon as the temperature falls below some critical point the vapors will still be there but will not glow. Since the glowing vapors are a product of the chemical reaction occurring in the fuel, when the reaction halts so will production of the vapors. Thus snuffing the flame eliminates both the source of the vapors and the energy required to create a glow in the vapors.
 
On a related note, what's the difference between something on fire and something smoldering?

If a log is in a campfire, it can either burn (fire) to ash, or smolder to ash. But it seems like fire is more than just heavy-duty smoldering. When the breeze blows, sometimes smoldering things catch fire. And often there's a sound associated with this.

Also, when you blow out a candle, sometimes the wick continues to smolder for a few seconds.

Does smoldering require oxygen like fire? I guess I could test this myself :devil: :eek:
 
tony873004 said:
On a related note, what's the difference between something on fire and something smoldering?

If a log is in a campfire, it can either burn (fire) to ash, or smolder to ash. But it seems like fire is more than just heavy-duty smoldering. When the breeze blows, sometimes smoldering things catch fire. And often there's a sound associated with this.

Also, when you blow out a candle, sometimes the wick continues to smolder for a few seconds.

Does smoldering require oxygen like fire? I guess I could test this myself :devil: :eek:

I believe that smoldering means that the reaction is progressing slowing, not producing enough heat to create flames. Addition of [itex]O_2[/itex] could change that.
 
tony873004 said:
On a related note, what's the difference between something on fire and something smoldering?

I would call hot, glowing combusting gases 'flames', and hot glowing combusting solid carbonny stuff 'embers'.

Also, when you blow out a candle, sometimes the wick continues to smolder for a few seconds.

Yeah, it's still hot. Being solid, it takes longer to cool down than the gases, which are quickly cooled and dissipated.

Does smoldering require oxygen like fire?

You certainly need oxygen to have a fire. If you have no fire, you have no heat, and therefore you have nothing to make the embers glow. However, if you remove oxygen from a fire, the embers will continue to glow, but will cool down until they stop glowing.

The glowing isn't a direct result of fire, it's a result of heat.

Bear in mind that heating stuff up without oxygen will often also cause it to glow. The difference is that with no oxygen, no combustion is occurring, it's just hot and glowing. Fire requires oxgyen, since it's combustion. This happens to produce heat, which is why everything glows.
 

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