Ehrenfest's Theorem: Quantum Mechanics Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around Ehrenfest's theorem in quantum mechanics, its relation to the correspondence principle, and associated mathematical formulations. Participants explore the implications of the theorem and its application to observables like momentum and position.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how Ehrenfest's theorem exemplifies the correspondence principle in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant presents the equation of motion related to Ehrenfest's theorem, suggesting specific observables (momentum and position) for analysis.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding a theorem related to the stability of static electric and magnetic charges in three dimensions, later identifying it as Earnshaw's Theorem.
  • There is a reiteration of the equation of motion, with a participant questioning if there are any mathematical divides in the application of the theorem.
  • One participant mentions that the mathematics supporting the correspondence principle aligns with classical equations of motion, referencing Galileo's suggestions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding Ehrenfest's theorem and its implications, with some points of confusion and clarification, but no consensus is reached on the broader implications or applications of the theorem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants appear to have different levels of familiarity with the mathematical aspects of the theorem, leading to potential gaps in understanding. The discussion also touches on related theorems, which may not be fully resolved in the context of Ehrenfest's theorem.

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Can anyone tell me what is the Ehrenfest's theorem in quantum mechanic, I don't understand how it can provide an example for correspondence principle?
 
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Are you familiar with the equation of motion:

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\langle Q \rangle = \frac{i}{\hbar}\langle [H,Q] \rangle + \langle \frac{\partial Q}{\partial t}\rangle[/tex]

where Q is an observable?
Try putting Q=p (momentum) and Q=r (position).
 
Now I am a bit confused. What's the name of that theorem which forbids static electric and magnetic charges to produce stable equillibrium condition in 3D ?
 
DaTario said:
Now I am a bit confused. What's the name of that theorem which forbids static electric and magnetic charges to produce stable equillibrium condition in 3D ?
Are you looking for Earnshaw's Theorem?
 
hehehehe...thank you a lot... I am getting old, my son...
 
Galileo said:
Are you familiar with the equation of motion:

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\langle Q \rangle = \frac{i}{\hbar}\langle [H,Q] \rangle + \langle \frac{\partial Q}{\partial t}\rangle[/tex]

where Q is an observable?
Try putting Q=p (momentum) and Q=r (position).


It is just the result of the theorem! Any mathematical divide inside?
 
Yes, the mathematics of showing the correspondence principle at work comes from doing what Galileo suggested and arriving at the classical equations of motion.
 

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